Is the Stone Roses debut really as good as is claimed?

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not as good as is claimed, but i'd rather a merely very good album is fawned over, rather than a totally shit one.

― weasel diesel (K1l14n), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 17:01 (twenty-one years ago) link

i think its as good as people say...its not THAT over-rated in the media really...

― stevem (blueski), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 17:48 (twenty-one years ago) link

I liked it when i last listened to it 4 years ago.

― christoff (christoff), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:11 (twenty-one years ago) link

still love it, except for "This is the One" which is pointless/hookless.

― Spencer Chow (spencermfi), Wednesday, 8 January 2003 19:43 (twenty-one years ago) link

one year passes...

Wow! Some people dont get it, some people do, how freaky is that? Not very.
The band, the album and the attitude are all part of the same thing with the Roses, miss one boat and you've missed it all - and who cares about your opinion anyway?

― Steev, Thursday, 29 January 2004 10:47 (twenty years ago) link

and who cares about your opinion anyway?

oh, well we might as well give up now then. Moderator, lock the Internet, it's all over.

― CharlieNo4 (Charlie), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:04 (twenty years ago) link

See, I love this album, but that kind of anti-debate opinion pisses me off. There's plenty wrong with the album, just like almost every album, and plenty of room for discussion.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:07 (twenty years ago) link

He obviously cares about our opinions, otherwise he wouldn't have posted.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:07 (twenty years ago) link

That too, is up for debate... :o)

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:08 (twenty years ago) link

i'm still not bored of 'Waterfall' even tho it's on those adverts (Lottery?) all the time

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:26 (twenty years ago) link

The first four and the last four I love. If they'd replaced the middle three with "Standing Here" and "Whetre Angels Play" it'd be a totally different album and everyone'd hate it!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:36 (twenty years ago) link

Sad to say, my opinion of three years ago has not changed.

― Marcello Carlin, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:39 (twenty years ago) link

Am I the only one who would skip the opening track?

― mark grout (mark grout), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:41 (twenty years ago) link

Fair enough.

I'm surprised Silvertone didn't choose to remaster and rerelease all the early stuff last year, the debut, Turns Into Stone etcetera (I wouldn't be surprised if they remastered and rereleased the bloody singles!). They've never missed an opportunity to sponge off the Roses before, and the Very Best Of compilation looked like being the start of a reissue process.

X-post; Yes. You must be insane!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

It goes without saying that I adore this album and the Stone Roses lead me directly to the Byrds/Buffalo Springfield axis. The debut is without flaws. The only flaw is perfection and I guess that is going to bug alot of people.

― doomified, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:43 (twenty years ago) link

But again remember, at this very moment, I'm stuck between believing that 'Greetings from Astbury Park' and The Constantines 'Shine A Light' are the greatest things I've heard in my life.

― doomified, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:46 (twenty years ago) link

What bugs a lot of people is that it is indie(!) with guitars on(!), which is about as fashionable as having dark-brown teeth or liking Tony Blair.

― Vasquesz, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

i own no Stone Roses albums so if you offered me one then i'd have to admit the most recent 'very best of' actually has the most appeal

― stevem (blueski), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:47 (twenty years ago) link

What bugs a lot of people is that it is indie(!) with guitars on(!), which is about as fashionable as having dark-brown teeth or liking Tony Blair.

Ha ha. True. See, if they had a remix by Junior Senior with b/up vocals by Beyonce and production by NERD but remained the same - different story. ha ha.

Anyways did you hear the news - INDIE is back in fashion!

― doomies, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:49 (twenty years ago) link

What bugs a lot of people is that it is indie(!) with guitars on(!), which is about as fashionable as having dark-brown teeth or liking Tony Blair.

On the contrary, what bugs a lot of people is that this album of bland, innocuous indie-pap is treated as if it's a work of genius. In lists of most overrated albums of all time this is Top 5.

― Dadaismus (Dada), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:52 (twenty years ago) link

That kinda sounds like the same thing man

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:54 (twenty years ago) link

http://www.stoneroses.net/bootlegs/CMdvd.html

she bangs the drums video is really good, i think it gets at what they were about

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:55 (twenty years ago) link

Great, now I hate my favourite album. Cheers, Doomie!

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:56 (twenty years ago) link

WRT to all that stuff upthread, whatever happened to BURNWEED? Last thing I heard he had jacked in all that worshipping Ian Brown stuff and was attempting to become a professional golfer. Now he really *is* insane.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:57 (twenty years ago) link

ehehehehe... He's great. The web needs more completely insane people.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:58 (twenty years ago) link

CHALLENGE: discuss the album without mentioning INDIE.

― doomies, Thursday, 29 January 2004 11:59 (twenty years ago) link

It's a lovely catchy guitarpop record w/some unusually interesting production/structures. Nice one Stone Roses! 4/5.

― Silly Sailor (Andrew Thames), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:01 (twenty years ago) link

he sounds like a pretty cool guy,,,

http://www.pausehere.co.uk/PauseHere/features/onelovestorytoo.html

― Stringent Stepper (Stringent), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:02 (twenty years ago) link

N. and the Pinefox offer the most convincing perspectives on this thread I reckon (for a doubter). I still think it's a pretty bad album now but at the time there was definitely something there, an attitude yes. I bought the cassette single of "She Bangs The Drums" in the Arndale Centre in Manchester, it seemed important at the time. I suppose if I knew that I was lucky enough to be 16 when the best debut album of all time ever etc etc came out I'd have made even more of it. As it was something new kept on coming along and I've always thought that picking out the Roses record is a bit odd.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:04 (twenty years ago) link

(I think I got into them a record too late to really feel cool about it at the time, too.)

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:06 (twenty years ago) link

nothing to add really. I do remember at the time when I'd be listening to it and after 6 or 7 tracks thinking how unfair that they had all the great tunes, and then the really good stuff kicks in at the end. note alseo i liked it despite the irritating scene/happening of the time. it sounds so bluntly unfashionable to say that now, and it's a pity that that is so revealing. I haven't listened to it in years, but I think I'd probably still think the same again DESPITE the intervening years of slack schmindie.

― Jaunty Alan (Alan), Thursday, 29 January 2004 12:33 (twenty years ago) link

i was there at the time, 14 yrs old and whilst i bought the she bangs the drums 12" when it came out, I didn't get the album until just after fools gold (so early 90 or something)... found myself loving Happy Mondays much more at the time, (until they blew it for me with everything post Madchester Rave On EP)

So i loved it for about six months until One Love, which I thought was shite and I stopped caring and started listening to MBV or something.

― Shooz (shooz), Thursday, 29 January 2004 13:29 (twenty years ago) link

in addition, i can't stand how the stone roses are STILL staple material for indie night clubs. Certainly here in my (now) native Canada, once every indie disco has run out of 'new' songs to play, they always have to resort to the stone roses. puke.

― Shooz (shooz), Thursday, 29 January 2004 13:32 (twenty years ago) link

It's a patchy but occasionally brilliant debut from a band that never achieved anything like the potential the album hinted at.
Despite its flaws I still rate it highly - possibly something to do with "being there" (there being west-central Scotland and not Madchester :/ )

Crossing threads slightly I think it's safe to say the Roses liked the Monkees more than the Beatles - this should forever put them above those other retro-chancers from Manchester.

― Onimo (GerryNemo), Thursday, 29 January 2004 14:15 (twenty years ago) link

One of my top 5 albums of all time, an utter masterwork that I can listen to again and again. They were cool as all hell, and it does not surprise me Ned doesn't like them. They weren't bedwetters for fellas with bad hair cuts, they were the other side of the coin. Something to switch on when you're dating someone or having the best fucking night of your life or whatever. Just an incredible band during their golden age that sadly threw it all away. Respect to The Mondays, but the Roses are so much better.

― C-Man (C-Man), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:02 (twenty years ago) link

It was shit then and its shit now. Except Made Of Stone, which I liked.

― Matt DC (Matt DC), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:07 (twenty years ago) link

Now I really hate my favourite band.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:10 (twenty years ago) link

ha ha! excellent.

but were stone roses as good as sleeper?

i'm listening to jeff mueller. he's my new favourite band.

― doomies, Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:13 (twenty years ago) link

It is great. And its retroness is one of the main reasons why it is great. Another thing is it was luckily almost devoid of those annoying dance beats they tended to love later on in their career.

― Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:14 (twenty years ago) link

??!!??!!??!! Geir I think you need to take yr copy of Second Coming back to Olav's Records.

― Tico Tico (Tico Tico), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:16 (twenty years ago) link

It pisses me off when people stop with The Stone Roses. For me they were just the start.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 15:26 (twenty years ago) link

WRT to all that stuff upthread, whatever happened to BURNWEED? Last thing I heard he had jacked in all that worshipping Ian Brown stuff and was
attempting to become a professional golfer. Now he really *is* insane.

Haha! A well deserved fate.

They were cool as all hell, and it does not surprise me Ned
doesn't like them.

Hm...

I had the advantage of not actually hearing the darn thing until the middle of 1992, at which point we were all grunge (weren't we?). Anyway, I had
recently discovered the Chameleons before that, and while the connection isn't exact, I heard the Stone Roses through that particular filter and thought,
"Hm, semi-dreamy semi-gothy stuff, sounds good to me!" I barely knew any Byrds at the time, of course, but now that I do -- well, I still feel more apt
to pull out the Stone Roses anyway, when I do.

Yes, I clearly hate them.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:35 (twenty years ago) link

Yes, but this is C-Man's world, Ned, where time froze in 1995 and you are Beelzebub.

― Llahtuos Kcin (Nick Southall), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:39 (twenty years ago) link

Oh right, carry on.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 January 2004 16:40 (twenty years ago) link

Bbbbbut I thought Ned was a stripper that turned into Golem! Now I find out he's really Beelzebub!

you lied to me!!!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:36 (twenty years ago) link

Sorry, I blame my lawyer.

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 January 2004 17:41 (twenty years ago) link

the Ned one....he liiiiess! And he never dances on poooor Smiegel's lapses!

― M@tt He1geson (Matt Helgeson), Thursday, 29 January 2004 18:04 (twenty years ago) link

ARE YOU WORTH IT?

― Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 29 January 2004 18:19 (twenty years ago) link

two months pass...

You are all gay gnat-fuckers. My mate Terence says Ned Raggett fucks disabled goats. WORD.

― Spastic Cock Shit, Thursday, 1 April 2004 22:15 (twenty years ago) link

hello calum wadell

― *, Thursday, 1 April 2004 22:18 (twenty years ago) link

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