POO!: The Doors

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Morrison Hotel as maybe the best one to convert haters - what do u think?

(Answer to trivia question above: xgau.)

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 October 2006 00:47 (seventeen years ago) link

No, and isn't it typical rockism to talk in terms of "converting" people to the Great Rock Classics? This indeed seems to me a sort of missionary attitude indicating all to clearly the roots of rockism in imperialistic thinking.

Joek Poster (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

all too clearly

Joek Poster (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 October 2006 01:34 (seventeen years ago) link

What is typical, perhaps, are your ridiculous projections and overreaction. I suppose it does not occur to you that my innocent use of the word "convert" (said term not being a universal symbol of The Crusades) might not reflect a desire to inflict some sort of Universal Rockist Dominion so much as the mere idea that maybe particular individuals who hate the Doors might actually find things to like about them on a record like Morrison Hotel (and gee, might actually fall in love with the group after all)?

Tim Ellison (Tim Ellison), Thursday, 12 October 2006 02:59 (seventeen years ago) link

For me, the Doors are an unusually sophisticated example of a crazy garage psych band, the logical extension of The Seeds, ? and the Mysterians and, above all, Them. Hard to pick only one, but if pushed, I'd second 'Horse Latitudes'.

Incidentally, for real Rockist evangelism, please see the ongoing Marquee Moon thread. Now, there's a Great Rock Classic in the worst way.

Soukesian (Soukesian), Thursday, 12 October 2006 20:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I can only take them in very small doses...Jim Morrison was such a pretentious overblown 'poet'.

Radio Free Albemuth (DocMartensBoots), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:10 (seventeen years ago) link

LA Woman

Billy Dods (Billy Dods), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

You don't say (xp)

Diddumsismus (Dada), Friday, 13 October 2006 15:15 (seventeen years ago) link

two years pass...

Can we do a POX of Doors 'blues' songs? I know all the hits (and a few non-hits) but gravitate toward the 'greasy bar blues' Tad refers to upthread, like "Roadhouse Blues." What are the 'sleepers' of this ilk and on which album(s) do they appear?

If Assholes Could Fly This Place Would Be An Airport, Friday, 27 March 2009 09:36 (fifteen years ago) link

..they sound like a drawn-out, dull Question Mark and the Mysterians with a second-rate Vegas lounge singer droning idiotic gibberish that only the most severely stoned of the pretentious, goth literature-reading teenage crowd would think was anything resembling 'poetry.'

this is sooo otm. and sooo the reason why The Doors are better than the Beatles, Stones, Zeppelin, & Floyd combined.

I am Robertson Speedo (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 March 2009 13:46 (fifteen years ago) link

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I am Robertson Speedo (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 March 2009 14:51 (fifteen years ago) link

can't say that i love them more than the beatles, stones, zep & pink floyd combined, but i will say the doors are massively underrated by dudes on the internet

now is the time to winterize your manscape (will), Friday, 27 March 2009 14:59 (fifteen years ago) link

into your blue, blue, blues

Fox Force Five Punchline (sexyDancer), Friday, 27 March 2009 19:47 (fifteen years ago) link

Every post on here needs to be changed to "Crystal Ship"

Adam Bruneau, Friday, 27 March 2009 20:59 (fifteen years ago) link

i'll second that...

the soft boy of karate (Drugs A. Money), Friday, 27 March 2009 21:19 (fifteen years ago) link

I'd like to have another kiss.

james k polk, Friday, 27 March 2009 21:42 (fifteen years ago) link

(though I'm sad to see Peace Frog go)

the soft boy of karate (Drugs A. Money), Saturday, 28 March 2009 01:22 (fifteen years ago) link

not played a doors record for years, but crystal ship is the one

Dr X O'Skeleton, Saturday, 28 March 2009 21:48 (fifteen years ago) link

Yeah Crystal Ship is fantastic, great melody, sounds like no one else. I actually like a bunch of their songs, still can't stand Light My Fire though. Most of their albums are patchy aside from maybe Morrison Hotel.

POX:
Crystal Ship
You're Lost Little Girl
Peace Frog
Indian Summer
Strange Days
Soft Parade
Roadhouse Blues
LA Woman
Waiting for the Sun
Blue Sunday

ColinO, Saturday, 28 March 2009 23:11 (fifteen years ago) link

There is a new oldies station in Atlanta that plays "Touch Me" more than any other Doors song, and I always kind of liked it partly in an ironic way partly not. The more they play it the more I like it though. The "I'm gonna love ya" part is too beautiful.

Jim could have been a rad twisted Las Vegas crooner in the 70s if he hadn't offed himself....

Adam Bruneau, Sunday, 29 March 2009 16:02 (fifteen years ago) link

I kind of like "Unkown Soldier." It's got the Byrdsy thing going on.
POO Doors of all time has gotta be "Break on Through," though.

Trip Maker, Sunday, 29 March 2009 16:05 (fifteen years ago) link

one year passes...

riders on the storm
most mature sounding doors. best balance of instruments and voice. doesn't sound like they're all competing with each other.

charlie h, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 08:05 (thirteen years ago) link

and to think 'you're lost little girl' was my vote 4 years ago. much has changed since then.

charlie h, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 08:08 (thirteen years ago) link

LA Woman or Break On Through

Inevitable stupid dubstep mix (chap), Tuesday, 1 February 2011 11:34 (thirteen years ago) link

the Crystal Ship love earlier in the thread is well-deserved. One of the song where they manage to sound enchanting and mysterious in the way that I think they thought they were all along.

kkvgz, Tuesday, 1 February 2011 11:40 (thirteen years ago) link

five years pass...

"Strange Days"

this song is incredible. it sounds like it could be a Cure b-side. only downside is the drumming deficiency becomes a bit obvious as it builds and builds.

i just listened to the album for the first time since discovering The Damned and a lot of other stuff. it really seems obvious the Doors were massively influential on 80s pop in particular. Morrison's mopey/ironic/gothic baritone is so ahead of its time. this band can be playing chintzy Hammond organ demo music and he elevates it to Dark Bubblegum. the cool goth lyrics certainly help ("Don't miss your chance/to swim in mystery/you are dying in a prison/of your own device.").

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 December 2016 02:19 (seven years ago) link

"Riders on the storm" is my jam

a but (brimstead), Friday, 2 December 2016 02:30 (seven years ago) link

Doors are so great

a but (brimstead), Friday, 2 December 2016 02:32 (seven years ago) link

My favorite Doors song is their cover of "Who Do You Love" on that live album.

Mr. Snrub, Friday, 2 December 2016 02:41 (seven years ago) link

Peace Frog

Moka, Friday, 2 December 2016 14:17 (seven years ago) link

I also think they're a painfully overrated band by rockists and I'm of the opinion that Morrison (and the rest of the band too) didn't take themselves seriously and the whole poet thing was trolling on their part.

Moka, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:34 (seven years ago) link

Rockists? They exist, do they?

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:36 (seven years ago) link

it really seems obvious the Doors were massively influential on 80s pop in particular.

No Doors, no Echo & the Bunnymen for sure. Among many others!

and this section is called boner (Phil D.), Friday, 2 December 2016 15:50 (seven years ago) link

I love the Doors and don't care who knows it! My pick is the performance of Roadhouse Blues from An American Prayer, one of the great performances by any band anytime anywhere.

Iago Galdston, Friday, 2 December 2016 15:57 (seven years ago) link

i love the doors too.

LA Woman for me

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Friday, 2 December 2016 16:02 (seven years ago) link

it is like an immediate mood lifter for me

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Friday, 2 December 2016 16:03 (seven years ago) link

i was a huge doors fan as a teenager and eventually felt embarrassed by them but now i've come back around and i think they are a wonderful and fun band

I've read Ta-nehisi Coates. (marcos), Friday, 2 December 2016 16:05 (seven years ago) link

^^ my experience exactly

sleeve, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link

David Crosby sneered on twitter the other day that Jim was a "poser"...said the scion of the Van Rennselaers, one of the oldest and fanciest of New York's Dutch-era families [eye roll]

Iago Galdston, Friday, 2 December 2016 16:11 (seven years ago) link

lol yeah Crosby's one to talk

No Doors, no Echo & the Bunnymen for sure. Among many others!

many many others! imo "Don't You Forget About Me" also trafficking in the same territory as many "Strange Days" tracks.

Morrison not taking himself seriously but also ironically taking himself seriously feels very postmodern and is one of the elements that surprises me every time i come back to the band.

AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:24 (seven years ago) link

I hear Jim's phrasing in a lot of Ian Curtis lines

Feel like goth in general has roots in the Doors creepy haunted house organ vibez

Iggy Pop and Johnny Ramone (who in one of his last interviews said the Doors were the only good American band of the 60s) were both huge fans, and probably the 2 men most responsible for punk

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 December 2016 18:30 (seven years ago) link

Morrison not taking himself seriously but also ironically taking himself seriously feels very postmodern and is one of the elements that surprises me every time i come back to the band.

― AdamVania (Adam Bruneau), Friday, December 2, 2016 12:24 PM (one hour ago) Bookmark Flag Post Permalink

Morrison could rock a terrible lyric with the best of them but I think when people talk bout him being humorless or pompous or whatever I believe they are mistakenly critiquing Val Kilmer's performance in the "True Detective" prequel "The Doors"

Jim's in on the joke a lot more than people give him credit for

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:46 (seven years ago) link

I hear Jim's phrasing in a lot of Ian Curtis lines

Always thought Ian Curtis was doing Iggy doing Jimbo.

The Doug Walters of Crime (Tom D.), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:49 (seven years ago) link

though my tolerance for the doors themselves is about as low as ever, i do find myself with increasing appreciation for bands that are obviously trying to sound like the doors. i like one st. stephen, for instance. and children of the mushroom - their archival rehearsal tape release is particularly on a heavy doors trip, and it sounds good.

but jim's poetry is just so profoundly awful. i can't imagine anybody writing poetry that bad and _not_ being serious about it. i mean obviously he wasn't serious about _everything_, nobody is, but the poetry? pretty sure he was serious about that.

xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

structurally they are the most post-punk of all the name brand 60s bands....the chording and melodies are much more carried by the keyboards and bass and the guitar tends towards more textural or ornamental, clean tone single note picked lines

blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:53 (seven years ago) link

Also, echoing what several have said here is the correct Doors fandom trajectory

13-14 "OMG GOD THIS IS AMAZING"
15-16 "Fuck man the Doors really get me"
17-35 "This is so awful, this music is so corny! The lyrics is so dumb! No bass player? LAME"
36-37 "Eh this isn't so bad, the first record is pretty good"
38 and beyond "OMG GOD THIS IS AMAZING"

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 2 December 2016 19:56 (seven years ago) link

structurally they are the most post-punk of all the name brand 60s bands....the chording and melodies are much more carried by the keyboards and bass and the guitar tends towards more textural or ornamental, clean tone single note picked lines

― blonde redheads have more fun (upper mississippi sh@kedown)

if you don't consider the music machine "name brand", i guess. manzarek's playing gets a little too proggy to really fit in with post-punk imo

xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:57 (seven years ago) link

Also, echoing what several have said here is the correct Doors fandom trajectory

13-14 "OMG GOD THIS IS AMAZING"
15-16 "Fuck man the Doors really get me"
17-35 "This is so awful, this music is so corny! The lyrics is so dumb! No bass player? LAME"
36-37 "Eh this isn't so bad, the first record is pretty good"
38 and beyond "OMG GOD THIS IS AMAZING"

― chr1sb3singer

and this is why logan's run had it right

xiphoid beetlebum (rushomancy), Friday, 2 December 2016 19:58 (seven years ago) link

Also Jim poetry outside of the band is an entirely different kettle of fish and "An American Prayer" is this close to being the worst record made by anyone ever.

Ride the snake tho

chr1sb3singer, Friday, 2 December 2016 20:02 (seven years ago) link


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