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Brought this up a few days ago:

The Church - Uninvited, Like the Clouds

BeeOK (boo radley), Saturday, 22 April 2006 05:08 (eighteen years ago) link

six months pass...
Got hold of a pretty good soundboard recording of a show at the Ritz in 1988 for Starfish -- the 16-minute version of "You Took" which ends it is something else...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 16:23 (seventeen years ago) link

is that record really called "Back With Two Beasts"?...and it's a comeback record with two songs?...and I thought "Intensities In Ten Cities" was the last word in clever-yet-groanworthy titles...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:02 (seventeen years ago) link

A few years back, I finally replaced my lost teenage cassette of Starfish, and pulled out my non-lost teenage CD of Gold Afternoon Fix, and did a little Church-nostalgia ... and at some point I came to this understanding that -- at least around the era of those two records -- everything great about this band was tied up with everything that was incredibly comical about them. They're melodramatic in an odd way. I can't help but imagine them playing Dungeons and Dragons a lot. I'm sure I've posted about this before: my favorite Church-nostalgia moment these days is the awesomely lame delivery (on a song called "Terra Nova Cain," of all titles!) of the following line: "I'll show you how the ancients once traveled / they used to call this a Chevy." They are so dudes who wear long black coats all the time, even in summer, and I think it's the ridiculousness of that fact that helps me love them. The guitar work helps, sure, but no matter how much you like the arpeggio and riff on "Reptile," you have to wrap yourself around Kilbey being all like "you're a real .... reeeeeep - tile" in that way to really love the song. He tries to be so sly, you know. Anyway.

P.S.: So long as I'm documenting hilarious lines from "Terra Nova Cain" that dude actually tries to sell all serious-like, this is the second best:

She said, "Will you help with our research?"
I said, "Take me to your leader."
She put her foot down on the oscillation pedal.
She was a ... transdimensional speeder.

Mostly because of that INCREDIBLY CAMP PAUSE denoted by the ellipses. "She was a ... (get this) ... transdimensional speed-ah."

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

P.P.S.: MARTY WILSON-PIPER'S GIGANTIC HOOP EARRINGS

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Nabisco, you really should read Kilbey's blog.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:07 (seventeen years ago) link

right there with you, Nabisco...I myself have posted here about how much I love the pathological dorkiness of Nitzer Ebb...

hank (hank s), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:09 (seventeen years ago) link

OMG Ned I am totally setting cuts from that blog to music and making fake Church albums:

Deep in space where disconnexion began
Luxurious space
Vague architechture has infested in the city
moss obelisk ... a green needle

TERRA NOVA CAIN ... I need you again (etc.)

nabisco (nabisco), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Hahah. :-)

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:43 (seventeen years ago) link

Meanwhile, I'm listening to a show from the tour earlier this year and, giving a nod to their opening act Rob Dickinson, I just heard Kilbey sing the chorus of "Black Metallic," right before doing a brief version of "Hit the Road, Jack." Loopy.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 18:50 (seventeen years ago) link

God, I missed that tour with Dickinson opening for the Church when it came to Austin. Damn you, late-night cramming for exams the next morning. I wanted to go so badly.

Stephen Bush (Stephen B.), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 20:12 (seventeen years ago) link

God, I missed that tour with Dickinson opening for the Church when it came to Austin.

Fantastic fantastic show!

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Speaking of selling lyrics, let's not forget the lyrics to "Dome"

"The barbarians picked through the ashes of the dome
Then went on their way, yeah, continued to roam"

It's all about the "yeah" in there. Years later, I found out that Kilbey wrote this about Zardoz

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Wednesday, 25 October 2006 22:31 (seventeen years ago) link

I love "Dome". Gives me chills - cornball lyrics and all. In fact, that entire album gets my vote for Their Finest Hour.

Jay Vee's Return (Manon_69), Thursday, 26 October 2006 01:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic.

Also I give them bonus points because one of the band member's daughters are pretty hot music chix.


http://www.myspace.com/brightredband

I say we take off and nuke the site from orbit (I say we take off and nuke the), Thursday, 26 October 2006 05:01 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Scored a CD of retrospective 'Hindsight'. There isn't anything on it that isn't great. I was off-the-money upthread (except about the Seance-era production) and harsh on Ploog. Sorry, Ploog.

Anyway, you guys need to help me. I only know the albums up to and including Heyday. Tell me a little about each one from Starfish until now, so that I can figure out what to look out for next. Any clunkers to avoid

The lush pillow-of-Rickenbackers side of them is great, but I'm especially liking the bigger, raunchier, riffy stuff like Life Speeds Up. Did they leave this sort of stuff behind? I read in Wiki that there is ambient-type stuff in the catalogue later. Not sure I'll like that.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:03 (seventeen years ago) link

Search everything except...

Destroy Sometime Anywhere.

A good chunk of the more recent material has a tendency to wander (and turn into the occasional trippy jam), so if that's not really your thing you might want to carefully pick and choose your 21st century Church albums. The one released this year, Uninvited Like the Clouds, is the main exception to the new rule as it's the most straight ahead pop-rock album they've made since Gold Afternoon Fix.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 9 November 2006 09:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Personally, I really like the last two albums, "Forget Yourself" and "Uninvited Like The Clouds": the latter is actually the most straightforward cd they recorded in ages, while FY is rockier and more psychedelic.
My all-time favourite remains "Priest=Aura", anyway: a great album indeed.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 9 November 2006 13:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah, definitely Priest=Aura to investigate, good Dr.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 14:11 (seventeen years ago) link

Why the Destroy for Sometime Anywhere? "Business Woman", "Loveblind", "Authority" - all great. To quote Ned on AllMusic, it's the band in "fine overall form".

Every album has something to recommend it, though I'm not as big a fan of their trippy jam songs compared to their straightforward pop tunes. The recent albums are more liked for highlights ("Come Down", "Lady Boy" on Magician Among the Spirits, for example) than the album as a whole. Unlike the albums up through Priest=Aura, which work as a single listen.

I haven't heard "Uninvited..." yet, but with the descriptions above, it's now on my list.

lumberingwoodsman (Chris Hill), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Uninvited really is wonderful. The band's been on such good form lately.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:07 (seventeen years ago) link

**To quote Ned on AllMusic, it's the band in "fine overall form".**

That's a solid seal of approval alright. None more solid.

Yes, I'm looking for pop choons rather than trippy jams.

So : Gold Afternoon Fix, Uninvited, Priest=Aura. What was the covers album - I saw a tracklisting and it sounded interesting, do they pull it off?

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:12 (seventeen years ago) link

A Box of Birds -- I think they do, yes; some of the songs are fairly reverent Xeroxes rather than something surprising but there's enough going to recommend checking it out. And you want poppy tunes, there ya go.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I like "Box of birds" - its fun and the choices are pretty adamant about their musical background.
Still waiting for their cover of "Don't fear the reaper", though.

Marco Damiani (Marco D.), Thursday, 9 November 2006 15:57 (seventeen years ago) link

Ooh, that would be a great on to hear (The Reaper, that is)!

Dr C., in all the hoopla/discussion of the later albums, I realized I'd left out the most important suggestion. Starfish is by all means essential. It's one of my favorite records of all time, by anybody!

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:57 (seventeen years ago) link

beautiful evocation or druggie fuck

what does that mean??

sunny successor (katharine), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

Get stoned and screw and you will find out. Uh, apparently.

Starfish is that rarest of things -- band with its own aesthetic slams into American major label world/LA studio hierarchy and *everything* works.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Thursday, 9 November 2006 17:59 (seventeen years ago) link

I want Starfish!

Dr. C (Dr. C), Thursday, 9 November 2006 19:06 (seventeen years ago) link

Why the Destroy for Sometime Anywhere? "Business Woman", "Loveblind", "Authority" - all great.

I wouldn't destroy it either, but it does need some serious editing. You can make a strong album out of it if you distill it down with the bonus disc. If anything, just grab "Dead Of The Dead."

I'll also speak up for Hologram Of Baal and After Everything, Now This. They're aren't as strong albumwise as the other ones suggested here (and Great Cthulhu man, get P=A right now!), but contain some of my favorite songs, especially "Louisiana" and the awesome awesome "Numbers."

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 9 November 2006 20:53 (seventeen years ago) link

starfish is far and away my favourite church album. i pretty much stopped digging them after gold afternoon fix although parts of 'priest' are pretty good.

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Thursday, 9 November 2006 22:29 (seventeen years ago) link

Good lord, Dr. C a Church fan? That's pretty cool. I've been thinking about pulling out Priest=Aura, lately, actually. Can't recommend that one enough. Hologram of Baal is another stellar effort, full of accessible pop songs, mostly, and definitely your best bet if you're looking for "pop choons" exclusively. Starfish is maybe third in line after those, I think. Not that that means it's bad, but doesn't strike me as quite as perfect as the other two. There are a few weak tracks on it.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:23 (seventeen years ago) link

This is great. Because on the bus home today I kept thinking "Priest=Aura", "Priest=Aura" and wondering if I would really pull it out or not. Well because of this thread I'm going to now.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:26 (seventeen years ago) link

Starfish is maybe third in line after those, I think. Not that that means it's bad, but doesn't strike me as quite as perfect as the other two. There are a few weak tracks on it.

Which ones? Because I surely can't name any.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Friday, 10 November 2006 02:43 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah.. starfish is a very strong set. everything after was relatively disappointing

electric sound of jim [and why not] (electricsound), Friday, 10 November 2006 03:27 (seventeen years ago) link

**Good lord, Dr. C a Church fan? That's pretty cool.**

Well I'm rediscovering them, Bimble. I used to have all the old albums up to Heyday years ago but they got purged at some point maybe 15 years ago. I kept a double vinyl copy of Hindsight - or so I thought - but when I tried to find it a couple of months ago it was gone, so I assume I must have been imagining that I'd kept it. Obv that had me REALLY wanting to hear it again! THEN I read an article about Marty Willson-Piper's guitars on the web somewhere (yes I'm a sad old muso) which prompted me to pick up a CD copy of Hindsight. And here we are.

Dr. C (Dr. C), Friday, 10 November 2006 09:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Did you know that Marty is a big fan of German band Neu! ?

He was the first place I had ever heard of Neu! I think. Although I can't really claim I'm a huge fan of theirs I can see how they were trailblazing for the likes of Stereolab.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:28 (seventeen years ago) link

It was also due to the Church that I discovered the best of Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel - a very unknown band in America, for sure. It's strange to owe a band for introducing you to another band. It is for me at least.

But I digress...anyway if you check out these albums Dr. C please give us your assessment of them, eh? I must admit an innate prejudice against Starfish a bit, simply because it is so much older than their other best records...maybe I've worn it out over the years. But it's hard for me to see a song like "Blood Money" as appealing to anything but the more stubborn Church fan. I mean, I personally enjoyed the song a great deal long ago, but would a casual Church fan? I wonder. Anyway, I haven't listened to Starfish in its entirety in many many years. I'd guess 1993 at best. Yeah, it's worn out for me in a lot of ways, just simply played it too many times. I'd rather hear Gold Afternoon Fix actually. But maybe it's just comparing two very different times in my life. When Starfish came out, I really loved it, but the Church were not my favourite band, and there was an awful lot of other quite different things going on in the (mostly Brit) indie world when that came out. On the other hand, by the time of Gold Afternoon Fix's release, I was a fanatic and the Church were my whole world. Even though GAF on its own is not by any means their best album.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:36 (seventeen years ago) link

I remember going to a solo Kilbey gig just after the release of Gold Afternoon Fix. And I'd gone backstage afterwards cause I had questions for him that needed answering. And I remember him just being so pissed off when some lady that was interviewing him before me had insinuated that GAF was the best thing they'd ever done. He really became quite infuriated about that all of a sudden. He was so mad at the record company. And one of my questions had been about a stray moment in the studio that appears somewhere in their compilation of videos where just for a moment he's shown in this studio momentarily singing some unreleased song and the sound is really rough. I asked him what was this song, would we ever get to hear it in its entirety? He told me the record company wouldn't let them release this song, and this seemed to both further infuriate him at the record company but also soothe him, for what I was saying was better than the woman who had the gall to tell him GAF was their best work so far, etc.

ANYWAY the moral of the story was that the unreleased song ended up appearing finally on the Sometime Anywhere CD when it arrived. Which was great except...even though I faithfully keep Sometime Anywhere in my collection, I've never found the will to re-investigate that very awkward time in the Church's history. I know there a few gems of songs there, but overall, quite a clunker I think, a glaring embarassment in their oeuvure.

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

I sure did mispell it. You bet. OEUVRE. Who gives a shit? I'm not a professional music writer and I don't pretend to be. I don't even know why I thought of that word.

I just love talking about Church albums.
Next up can we mention the Blurred Crusade? PLEEZ?

A Chocolate Ball of Sweet Confectionary Fire (Bimble...), Saturday, 11 November 2006 07:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Starfish was my real introduction to the band, although I distinctly remember having seen videos for "The Unguarded Moment" and "Constant in Opal" prior to hearing it. But it just came along at the right time in my life. I was beginning to learn the guitar and it offered an alternative to all the hair metal stuff I'd been trying to play before, and through trying to figure out those songs myself (cos you know damn well the tablature magazines weren't covering anything that didn't come with hairspray and spandex), I really fell in love with a whole new kind of music. Now I know the album backwards and forwards, every detail and I actually anticipate certain parts of certain songs when it's playing. I wasn't exaggerating above when I said it was one of my favorite albums ever by anyone. Next to things like Disintegration, The Joshua Tree and Music For the Masses, its importance in what I listen to and even how I approach music today could never be understated.

Johnny Fever (johnny fever), Saturday, 11 November 2006 08:35 (seventeen years ago) link

one month passes...
So did that apparently amazing set Elvis T. mentioned on the sandbox start circulating? I NEED THAT.

Also, am finally listening to Kilbey's Remindlessness. Interesting in that you can hear some of the initial stabs at where he and the band would go in future years.

Ned Raggett (Ned), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:10 (seventeen years ago) link

I pulled out my Hawkwind compilation tonight and went hog wild over it all over again. To think I almost sold it! Then I started trying to sell Hawkwind on my unsuspecting friend who only knows (and likes) the Church. "Silver Machine" man, I'm telling you:

TURN ON TUNE IN DROP OUT

Also: Remindlessness: I have not listened to that in nearly a billion years. Anyone remember his single called "Fireman" circa The Slow Crack or whatever that other album was called? Every time I see the Fireman buttons in the elevator at my building at work I think of that song! :)

But yes, Ned. With a few more drinks I daresay pulling out Remindlessness is well in order and very possible in just a few moments here. Cheers.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:19 (seventeen years ago) link

Yeah I'm playing the Slow Crack right now. Will put on Remindlessness after Fireman which is the second song. When this album came out I was desperately trying to hold on to cassettes in order to rebel against the loss of vinyl in the marketplace to CD's. I was a cassette rebel. Not for too long, but I was. I mean if you watched the vinyl section shrink in your record store you would too.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:32 (seventeen years ago) link

We've got to find that gig, Ned. The one where they covered so much Hawkwind. We've got to have it. Damn the sandbox. Damn it all.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:35 (seventeen years ago) link

Okay confession: they only did 3 Hawkwind covers I think. But we all know that's still two more than they have done on properly released CD's.

Also I wonder if everyone knows that Steve Kilbey's best album is actually...Unearthed? Or was it Earthed? I get them mixed up. The one with "Judgement Day" on it. I think it was Unearthed.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:38 (seventeen years ago) link

Also do you know how hard it was to get Remindlessness for a time? I saw that thing in Belgium in 1991 and passed on it and regretted it for years before I saw it again.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:41 (seventeen years ago) link

*Remindless on now*

And you know, even though at heart I'm a Church whore, sometimes I feel like I'm not ENOUGH of one you know what I mean? I know there are bigger Church fans than me, but I did fucking put my cents in, and it ought to count for something.

Also I would like to say I'm happy and proud to have found only a year and a half ago the vinyl of Marty Willson-Piper's In Reflection. That fucking thing was IMPOSSIBLE TO FIND back in the day. And one day record shopping with a friend, that thing was mine. Lovely!! Does anyone even have that on CD? Does it exist as such? Hell, maybe it does. But I got a big fucking booklet with it so there. Hahahah.

I like this song on Remindlessness called "The Amphibian". Oh yeah I remember this one. Wow. This is fantastic.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Nope I'm wrong. It's called "Life's Little Luxuries". It's hard to read with all the deep dark sky behind the words.

Good Warlock of the West (Bimble...), Sunday, 7 January 2007 07:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Been curious about the Church, ever since I heard they've done a soundtrack for Jeff Vandermeer's cult fantasy novel "Shriek - an afterword". (Sort of thing Hawkwind might have done, come to think of it.)

Any opinions on this, or how it relates to the rest of their work?

Soukesian (Soukesian), Sunday, 7 January 2007 18:53 (seventeen years ago) link

two weeks pass...
Hasn't been released yet.

Elvis Telecom (Chris Barrus), Thursday, 25 January 2007 23:31 (seventeen years ago) link


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