"what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"
*viewers nod glumly*
― mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link
a cool thing is that the hologram can do every possible accent!
a less cool thing is that the actor playing the hologra
― mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link
i ken
― mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link
the accents.
― Fizzles, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link
thats gotta be the worst attempt at a scottish accent I've heard in a long while, kind of fitting that it was from a Star Trek engineer
― ( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 14 March 2020 08:22 (four years ago) link
That Irish accent is brutal as well, in case anyone was in any doubt.
As we were watching it I said "why are we being subjected to this?"
Seven doing Borgy things was cool, but.
― trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link
you can 3d print any food item with nutritious content in the universe but synthetic speech has taken a backwards step from 2020.
― Fizzles, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
what if he *likes* comedy accents and did it on purpose
― mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link
tal shiar: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"*projects fiery deaths of galaxies directly into yr cortical core*
hologram menu: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"pretty bearded man in kilt and leprechaun hat with dangling corks: "fair dinkum hoots begorrah bah gum y'all"
― mark s, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
He is pretty, though.
― trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link
I thought this was a return to form! The scene with Raffi and the holograms was charming, Picard gave a very TNG speech. Seven's appearance was still a waste of Jeri Ryan's talents, though. Also, the Scottish accent is definitely an homage to James Doohan.
― Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
hologram accents starting to irritate but god he is too pretty to stay mad at
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link
concerned about the implications of Borginating on and off like that but really loved 7 of 9 in this ep the kiwi romulan kid bugs me
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link
disappointing that it's not like rhode island/aberdeen/pittsburgh accents, but at least the cigar tells us what's important
― mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link
the kiwi romulan kid bugs me
He's a bit Ornaldo Bloomps, but I like him. I want to know why you don't like him, but I also don't want to know in case your reasons also make me not like him.
― trishyb, Sunday, 15 March 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ENTpoc9XYAAisJm.jpg https://comicvine1.cbsistatic.com/uploads/original/11/119238/3578762-rivertam2.jpg
― mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 10:22 (four years ago) link
river tam = combination dahj/soji and elnor
― mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link
not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot, but i guess some stuff happened
I was a bit confused about this too, but then I remembered that in the previous episode, when we saw the stuff Commodore Oh mind-melded into Dr. Jurati's brain, it included visions of the Zhat Vash members going crazy because of the Admonition. So apparently she transferred the whole story of the Zhat Vash into Jurati's brain, not just the ancient warning about synthetic life, and the heroes somehow got her to explain it despite the psychic block Oh placed in her mind. How they got past the block wasn't explained, though.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link
But yeah, agree that this was a good episode, a nicely paced "right before the storm" story that revealed the stakes and put all the pieces in motion for the two-parter finale.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link
The only thing I didn't like is the revelation that Captain Rios has a history with the androids and the Zhat Vash conspiracy too, even though he was supposedly just a random pilot Musiker happened to know. I get it that they wanted him to have a personal stake in the conflict too, but they could've come up with some other way of doing that, something that wasn't such ridiculous coincidence.
― Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link
not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire ploti missed any mention in previous eps of the 'conclave of eight' or any romulans drawing weird patterns, but i don't always pay close attention.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link
also synthetics involve past a certain point and then "someone bad shows up"? eh?
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link
it's like discovering warp engine technology and the Vulcans showing up to say hi
only instead of saying hi, the mystery people destroy your civilizations
tbh they could take a cue from the Star Trek mirror universe and just activate a bunch of artificial lifeforms while having some super weapons parked in orbit
― mh, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
I just thought it was a strange way of putting it. Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 16 March 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link
I've read some fan theories that this all ties to the Control plot of Discovery's season 2, and the prophecy seen there of Control destroying organic life in the entire galaxy is what this "someone bad" wants to avoid... I can't imagine they'd want to tie this series so closely to Discovery though, especially since (AFAIK) the plot was being written before Discovery's second season even came out. Apparently Michael Chabon wasn't even allowed to make overt references to DS9's Dominion War, so that it wouldn't confuse viewers not familiar with that series, even though that war is (according to Chabon) the biggest reason why the Federation has become more paranoid and isolationist.
― Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 09:28 (four years ago) link
lol i've been ignoring all this backstory nonsense bcz i only very intermittently watched the various later iterations of SW anyway. if i have to look it up it didn't happen!!
― mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link
I don't think you're gonna find much backstory for this series in later iterations of Star Wars...
― Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link
In all seriousness though, you should watch Deep Space Nine. It's the best Trek series, it touches some of the same themes as this one, and nowadays it's all on Netflix.
― Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link
yes im probably not going to do that
― mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link
eh ultimately it's not that good but it's a way to pass the time. worf shows up, gets to do some good straight man bits
― j., Monday, 16 March 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link
"what did you do during the great self-isolation nuncle s?" "why i rewatched all of DS9!" *isolation door slammed shut and barred FROM THE OUTSIDE*
― mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link
>=(
― Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Monday, 16 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link
boooo DS9 is gr8
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 03:58 (four years ago) link
i cosign j.'s review.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link
Nah, even though Worf is indeed cool in Deep Space Nine and gets a better arc than he ever did in TNG, he's not even among the top 5 best characters of DS9.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:36 (four years ago) link
Sisko, Kira, Garak, Martok, Nog?
― Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link
Pretty much yeah, except replace Sisko with Odo, and maybe also Martok with Dax.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link
But Kira, Garak, Nog, yeah, those three are such compelling characters and they're given such great arcs that I can't really think anything comparable in other ST series... Maybe Data in TNG.The scene where Nog stands up to Sisko in his office made me cry more than anything Star Trek related ever has. It's awesome how the DS9 managed to save the Ferengi from TNG's joke species into something so much more.
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link
Nog made some bad career choices in retrospect.
― Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
Join the Federation, see the worlds, they said
― mh, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link
it is worth watching this episode with a good stereo system merely for the fact someone had fun doing the “borg cube exits conduit” noise
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link
Makeup effects crew really went to town with the shimmery highlighter palette
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link
This felt more like a TNG episode than any of the previous ones. Our team enters a planet where the inhabitants are living in a communal utopia in small location wearing space togas and doing gymnastics on the town square, but turns out one of the leaders is corrupting them, Picard tries to steer them away from the leader with a Picard speech, appealing to their decency, but the evil leader counters him... I mean, it must be an intentional TNG homage, right? No way would the showmakers have had them wear those togas if it wasn't.
― Tuomas, Friday, 20 March 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
disappointed spiner didn't take the opportunity to differentiate the soong family by introducing Billy Bob Soong
― Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
never trust any of those Soongs
― absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Friday, 20 March 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
the soongs remain the same
― mookieproof, Friday, 20 March 2020 18:13 (four years ago) link
these newfangled androids are totally soft, btw -- data survived far worse than that
― mookieproof, Friday, 20 March 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
otm
― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link
Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.
So it was 'someone shows up' after all. I like my idea better. I doubt TNG actually featured more of that kind of existential threat than plain vanilla big baddies, but it feels like it might have done.
― Paperbag raita (ledge), Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
jlp: "it feels like i'm looking at data!"the viewer: "it feels more like i'm typing data into a spreadsheet"
i am happy to accept this is mean but the dialogue very much delivered the open goal
― mark s, Saturday, 21 March 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link