Star Trek: Picard

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Yeah, I've been mostly happy with Picard in that it hasn't reverted to pandering to people nostalgic for TNG (I'm a fan of it too, but couldn't care less about this kind of fanservice), but they finally caved in and did a full episode of it. If it wasn't for Troi and Riker's kid, who was pretty awesome, and her interactions with Soji, this episode would've been completely pointless. Let's just hope this was the last bit of fanservice they had in store and now they can focus on the actual main plot of the series, which still seems pretty interesting, as slow-moving as it is.

Tuomas, Wednesday, 11 March 2020 07:23 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot, but i guess some stuff happened

liked the octonary star system idea

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link

"unknown dark power shows up when you do <X>" is kind of like first contact, but is a lot more like the later Expanse books

mh, Friday, 13 March 2020 16:42 (four years ago) link

a bit cixin liu too

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:15 (four years ago) link

i'm only three episodes in and I find this kind of a warm and comfortable sweater of a show, but it's weird how much the interiors just look like CB2.

akm, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link

which I guess is maybe better than 'all the interiors look like a modern dentist office' of TNG

akm, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link

"what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"

*viewers nod glumly*

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 21:31 (four years ago) link

a cool thing is that the hologram can do every possible accent!

a less cool thing is that the actor playing the hologra

mark s, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:26 (four years ago) link

i ken

mookieproof, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:41 (four years ago) link

the accents.

Fizzles, Friday, 13 March 2020 22:58 (four years ago) link

thats gotta be the worst attempt at a scottish accent I've heard in a long while, kind of fitting that it was from a Star Trek engineer

( X '____' )/ (zappi), Saturday, 14 March 2020 08:22 (four years ago) link

That Irish accent is brutal as well, in case anyone was in any doubt.

As we were watching it I said "why are we being subjected to this?"

Seven doing Borgy things was cool, but.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link

you can 3d print any food item with nutritious content in the universe but synthetic speech has taken a backwards step from 2020.

Fizzles, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link

what if he *likes* comedy accents and did it on purpose

mh, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:31 (four years ago) link

tal shiar: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"
*projects fiery deaths of galaxies directly into yr cortical core*

hologram menu: "what you are about to endure will drive some of you mad"
pretty bearded man in kilt and leprechaun hat with dangling corks: "fair dinkum hoots begorrah bah gum y'all"

mark s, Saturday, 14 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link

He is pretty, though.

trishyb, Saturday, 14 March 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link

I thought this was a return to form! The scene with Raffi and the holograms was charming, Picard gave a very TNG speech. Seven's appearance was still a waste of Jeri Ryan's talents, though. Also, the Scottish accent is definitely an homage to James Doohan.

Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Saturday, 14 March 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link

hologram accents starting to irritate but god he is too pretty to stay mad at

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:27 (four years ago) link

concerned about the implications of Borginating on and off like that but really loved 7 of 9 in this ep

the kiwi romulan kid bugs me

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Sunday, 15 March 2020 02:29 (four years ago) link

disappointing that it's not like rhode island/aberdeen/pittsburgh accents, but at least the cigar tells us what's important

mookieproof, Sunday, 15 March 2020 04:18 (four years ago) link

the kiwi romulan kid bugs me

He's a bit Ornaldo Bloomps, but I like him. I want to know why you don't like him, but I also don't want to know in case your reasons also make me not like him.

trishyb, Sunday, 15 March 2020 09:49 (four years ago) link

river tam = combination dahj/soji and elnor

mark s, Sunday, 15 March 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot, but i guess some stuff happened

I was a bit confused about this too, but then I remembered that in the previous episode, when we saw the stuff Commodore Oh mind-melded into Dr. Jurati's brain, it included visions of the Zhat Vash members going crazy because of the Admonition. So apparently she transferred the whole story of the Zhat Vash into Jurati's brain, not just the ancient warning about synthetic life, and the heroes somehow got her to explain it despite the psychic block Oh placed in her mind. How they got past the block wasn't explained, though.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:00 (four years ago) link

But yeah, agree that this was a good episode, a nicely paced "right before the storm" story that revealed the stakes and put all the pieces in motion for the two-parter finale.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link

The only thing I didn't like is the revelation that Captain Rios has a history with the androids and the Zhat Vash conspiracy too, even though he was supposedly just a random pilot Musiker happened to know. I get it that they wanted him to have a personal stake in the conflict too, but they could've come up with some other way of doing that, something that wasn't such ridiculous coincidence.

Tuomas, Sunday, 15 March 2020 11:07 (four years ago) link

not too clear on how our heroes suddenly and magically realized the entire plot

i missed any mention in previous eps of the 'conclave of eight' or any romulans drawing weird patterns, but i don't always pay close attention.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

also synthetics involve past a certain point and then "someone bad shows up"? eh?

Paperbag raita (ledge), Sunday, 15 March 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

it's like discovering warp engine technology and the Vulcans showing up to say hi

only instead of saying hi, the mystery people destroy your civilizations

tbh they could take a cue from the Star Trek mirror universe and just activate a bunch of artificial lifeforms while having some super weapons parked in orbit

mh, Sunday, 15 March 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link

I just thought it was a strange way of putting it. Someone shows up? What? Who? 'They evolve past a certain point and then consider humanity redundant' makes more sense.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 16 March 2020 09:22 (four years ago) link

also synthetics involve past a certain point and then "someone bad shows up"? eh?

I've read some fan theories that this all ties to the Control plot of Discovery's season 2, and the prophecy seen there of Control destroying organic life in the entire galaxy is what this "someone bad" wants to avoid... I can't imagine they'd want to tie this series so closely to Discovery though, especially since (AFAIK) the plot was being written before Discovery's second season even came out. Apparently Michael Chabon wasn't even allowed to make overt references to DS9's Dominion War, so that it wouldn't confuse viewers not familiar with that series, even though that war is (according to Chabon) the biggest reason why the Federation has become more paranoid and isolationist.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 09:28 (four years ago) link

lol i've been ignoring all this backstory nonsense bcz i only very intermittently watched the various later iterations of SW anyway. if i have to look it up it didn't happen!!

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

I don't think you're gonna find much backstory for this series in later iterations of Star Wars...

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link

In all seriousness though, you should watch Deep Space Nine. It's the best Trek series, it touches some of the same themes as this one, and nowadays it's all on Netflix.

Tuomas, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:28 (four years ago) link

yes im probably not going to do that

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link

eh ultimately it's not that good but it's a way to pass the time. worf shows up, gets to do some good straight man bits

j., Monday, 16 March 2020 14:54 (four years ago) link

"what did you do during the great self-isolation nuncle s?"
"why i rewatched all of DS9!"
*isolation door slammed shut and barred FROM THE OUTSIDE*

mark s, Monday, 16 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link


Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Monday, 16 March 2020 21:59 (four years ago) link

boooo DS9 is gr8

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 03:58 (four years ago) link

i cosign j.'s review.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:15 (four years ago) link

Nah, even though Worf is indeed cool in Deep Space Nine and gets a better arc than he ever did in TNG, he's not even among the top 5 best characters of DS9.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 08:36 (four years ago) link

Sisko, Kira, Garak, Martok, Nog?

Archaeopteryx Morgan M.D. (Leee), Tuesday, 17 March 2020 14:56 (four years ago) link

Pretty much yeah, except replace Sisko with Odo, and maybe also Martok with Dax.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:35 (four years ago) link

But Kira, Garak, Nog, yeah, those three are such compelling characters and they're given such great arcs that I can't really think anything comparable in other ST series... Maybe Data in TNG.

The scene where Nog stands up to Sisko in his office made me cry more than anything Star Trek related ever has. It's awesome how the DS9 managed to save the Ferengi from TNG's joke species into something so much more.

Tuomas, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 15:42 (four years ago) link

Nog made some bad career choices in retrospect.

Philip Nunez, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link

Join the Federation, see the worlds, they said

mh, Tuesday, 17 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

it is worth watching this episode with a good stereo system merely for the fact someone had fun doing the “borg cube exits conduit” noise

absolute idiot liar uneducated person (mh), Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link

Makeup effects crew really went to town with the shimmery highlighter palette

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 20 March 2020 16:21 (four years ago) link

This felt more like a TNG episode than any of the previous ones. Our team enters a planet where the inhabitants are living in a communal utopia in small location wearing space togas and doing gymnastics on the town square, but turns out one of the leaders is corrupting them, Picard tries to steer them away from the leader with a Picard speech, appealing to their decency, but the evil leader counters him... I mean, it must be an intentional TNG homage, right? No way would the showmakers have had them wear those togas if it wasn't.

Tuomas, Friday, 20 March 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link

disappointed spiner didn't take the opportunity to differentiate the soong family by introducing Billy Bob Soong

Philip Nunez, Friday, 20 March 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

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