ARRRRGGGHHH DAYLIGHT SAVINGS!!!!

my body seems to have actually synched to the clock... as of the beginning of last week. I was waking up like clockwork at 7am every day when I was on my mini-vacation

this morning sucked

ugh, I guess this isn't the same everywhere but having to get up while it's still dark is the most depressing shit (and I really don't get up that early for someone who has kids that I have to get to school) and I find that the couple of weeks following the time change to generally be the most difficult of the whole year for me

Move the shit back to April. We'll be in line with the rest of the world's time changes, the mornings won't be as dark, and the afternoon delight crowd will still get their sweet extra hour of golden rays.

Something I never knew until today: under the Wilson government, the UK adhered to GMT+1 from March 1968 to October 1971. In Dec 1970 the Commons voted decisively to end the experiment and we went back to the GMT/BST split the following autumn. During the first two winters, road traffic accidents increased in the mornings, but greatly decreased in the evenings. However, this coincided with stronger drink-driving legislation (and the introduction of the road-side breathalyser), which may have had more of an impact.

Move the shit back to April. We'll be in line with the rest of the world's time changes, the mornings won't be as dark, and the afternoon delight crowd will still get their sweet extra hour of golden rays.

Move the shit back to April. We'll be in line with the rest of the world's time changes, the mornings won't be as dark, and the afternoon delight crowd will still get their sweet extra hour of golden rays.

Absolutely.

The thing I'm proudest of Dubya for doing as president is lengthening the period of time the US is under DST each year.

― Ⓓⓡ. (Johnny Fever), Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:02 PM

It was the worst thing he ever did.

― pplains, Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:11 PM

"Even worse than –"

"YES."

― pplains, Saturday, March 11, 2017 4:12 PM

Holy shit. The Senate just unanimously passed a bill making daylight savings time permanent.

If this clears the House, no more changing the clocks twice a year. https://t.co/d85L72mzf8

— Andrew Desiderio (@AndrewDesiderio) March 15, 2022

LFG

That fucking sucks. I can't read when walking in the early morning hours!

Wasn't this attempted once in the '70s? Seems like it could be a be careful what you wish for situation.

I'm sure people were reading and walking before the '70s.

What about the year 70?

xxp Yep, and also during WW2.

would kind of prefer to get rid of daylight savings time and go to year-round standard time. Permanent daylight savings time means it's dark until 8 am in December.

It'd mean I'm always 2 hrs behind my office. Me no likey having to be up that early.

But wait does that mean AZ would move to pacific time zone? We don't want daylight savings time here

"The bill would allow Arizona and Hawaii, which do not observe daylight saving time, to remain on standard time."

I sign off on this 1000%. My internal clock is so finely-tuned that this time changing shit throws me off for weeks/months, often almost until it's time to do it again. I felt like a drugged ape at work yesterday.

I'm pretty sure our cat never adjusts, and asks for his food an hour early for half the year.

mine ask for food an hour early half the year and two hours early the other half

My cat asks for food every hour regardless

I don't have kids and don't start work until 11am most days so this rules. Getting dark at 5:30 sucks.

I'd be fine either way, but seems like sticking with "standard" time should be the default.

hope this happens because BC already has a bill passed to make the change to constant daylight savings but it is dependent on Washington and Oregon doing it first

it being dark before 5pm for over a month always absolutely tanks my mood

for me it's more about the morning. it being dark for an hour+ after you even get to work in the winter will also depressing. I like the switch between standard and daylight savings times

The physical and mental wear and tear of adjusting one's sleeping/eating/working/personal time pattern by a full hour twice every year is a problem that can easily be solved by leaving the clocks alone all year, but the problem of too much darkness in winter cannot be solved, no matter how much we fiddle the clocks.

Well, climate change is whittling away at winter, so there's that problem solved.

imo this is a proxy war between morning people and night people.

Kinda but morning people always win regardless.

This has maps that show the effects of keeping or abolishing DST, which of course vary a lot depending on where you are: http://andywoodruff.com/blog/where-to-hate-daylight-saving-time-and-where-to-love-it/

Here at the western edge of the Eastern time zone, it would give us one fewer morning of pre-7 a.m. sunrise, in exchange for year-round post-6 p.m. sunset, which seems like a good deal to me.

pplains linked to the exact same article three years ago. my reply was:

Why (those maps / that article) decided that "a reasonable sunrise time" was before 7 am is probably due to a conspiracy of so-called 'morning' people, who everyone with sense understands to be semi-human mutants and certainly not a demographic to be catered to.

Yeah sunrise should never be before 8am, just to drive home the point that yall are freaks for getting up and at em before then.

Climate change isn't changing the amount of sunlight each day...

I just figured that was a hand-crafted joke.

"actually, data in a recent paper suggest..." is typically how this setup ends.

Climate change just means you'll be sweating balls while you wait for the commuter train in the dark.

Yeah, it was my dumb joke. It'll still be dark, but it won't be "winter."

OK, I was just thinking that we've had some more-or-less snowless winters in Toronto, but it definitely didn't make it any more cheerful than usual.

It's like five months of November, plus frostbite.

I'm very much not a morning person, but mornings are forced upon me. Every time I have to wake up while it's still dark is hellish to me, which is why I would very much prefer year-round standard time. The actual changing of the time is awful too so maybe year-round DST is better than the current system, I don't know. Maybe this would force my son's school to not start school at such a ridiculously early hour, I don't know. It's not like I actually ever care what time it is at any point, I just don't want to have to force myself to get up while it's still dark out.

Yeah, same, this is Not Good. Also--is it not RIDICULOUS to insist that it's not noon when the sun is directly overhead? All summer long I already mentally subtract an hour to figure out when the sun will be strongest w/r/t sunburn, over-exposure, etc. Seems dumb to pretend otherwise instead of just changing the times things happen at.

i will of course bitch about losing my hour in the spring, but i think the current system is fine

at my latitude, permanent standard time would mean it would lead to 4:20am sunrises in high summer; permanent daylight time would lead to 8:20am sunrises in winter. i don't want either of those

The DST Grip Assistance Tool confirmed what I suspected... that no matter where I am in the US I do not like Standard Time and would be happier with permanent DST. I love going to work in the dark and hate going home in the dark.

Of course the tool doesn't factor in climate. Being in Texas, a few hours of sunlight in the winter after 5pm is actually useful to me because it's generally still warm enough to go outside and enjoy it. It also fails to factor in that letting people go to work and leave work whenever the fuck they want would be the best solution.

I read about Mason & Dixon using their theodolite to view the morning star to set their coordinates. They kept a journal, of course, and one of the entries said they got their readings at 3:40 am, right before sunrise.

This was before there were even time zones, but to hell with that.

I grew up at the far western edge of the Eastern time zone, west of chicago but supposedly gerrymandered to keep the copper mines on east coast time. It would still be dark at 8am in winter, but summer was glorious and the sun wouldn't set until 10pm. Living at the eastern edge of the Pacific time zone sucked because it was light at 4:30am which is totally useless.

I'm ecstatic that they chose to go with Daylight Savings Time and I don't care if the sun rises at 9am in December.

Love that exact same thing about summer but I've had too many years of getting up in the dark and going into a window-less office building in the dark and never seeing sunlight, to be okay with those winter mornings. :((( Not looking forward to it.

A lot of the talk is how far east or how far west you are, but the north and south differences are pretty crazy too. It took me awhile to figure out what was going on in Minnesota, having come from points further south.

On June 23 this year, the sun will set on Little Rock at 8:26 pm. About 720 miles to the north in Minneapolis that same day, sunset will be at 9:03 pm.

After all these last few years, this is finally going to be the thing that breaks us.

What I like about living further south is the earliest sunset of the year is still after 5pm, so it's not fully dark until 540ish on the shortest day of the year. The tradeoff is that it's never light out til like 9pm, which, being in AZ is a good thing.

Northerners do get nice long summer nights. And deserve them! I really noticed it on a June visit to Edinburgh a few years ago, there was visible sunlight until 10 or so.