yeah that was a gross post and i flagged it xp
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
Fred's more the guy following the generals around asking them to implement his controversial strategies to win the war
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
I though Warren was a progressive, why are we making excuses for her?
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
i thought warren dropped out of the race
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
that was just a headfake
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:47 (four years ago) link
People that drop out of the race could endorse another who is still in the race.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
We’re fighting about Liz Lads and Bernard Brothers because we all agree that Joe Biden is an egregious motherfucker and there’s nothing to fight about there.
― college bong rip guy (silby), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:49 (four years ago) link
well what's the point if she's just gonna direct bourgie white women to bernie
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
to what end?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:50 (four years ago) link
whoops xpost
Both sides have common goals?
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:52 (four years ago) link
being less bourgie?
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:55 (four years ago) link
We all have to start somewhere.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
Xyz, no one has said that online abuse is the reason, or even the main reason. As Neanderthal notes.
That's a really convenient strawperson you have there - that if Warren and her supporters aren't jumping immediately onto the BernWagon, it's just because "someone was mean to me on the twitter" or "eek I saw an emjoi and now I'm gonna vote for Biden."
The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored.
They speak not just of disappointment that Warren didn't get more traction, but that women in general haven't, and won't, and will have to wait, yet again. This from bourgie and non-, white- and non, even women and non.
But if you prefer to have the narrative be "poor privileged snowflakes saw a snake emoji and bailed on WHAT TRULY MATTERS," whatev.
― Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
ymp otm as hell
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 7 March 2020 17:58 (four years ago) link
otm.
― Yerac, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
fwiw after finding out about the term “bobos” by which Parisians refer to the bohemian-ish bourgeoisie that populate some of their northeastern quartiers I’ve gradually and begrudgingly come to accept that’s the label that best describes my station.
I realize that makes me almost universally contemptible.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:10 (four years ago) link
imo she’s laying the groundwork for not endorsing Bernie because she is a Democratic Party lifer (post-party switch obv), and that’s NOT meant to be an epithet in this instance. she probably sees many more years of public service in her future and she wants to be in the tent. if the Bernie-sphere can be rendered as toxic as Biden’s public lifetime of unconscionable positions and the fact that he’s very clearly not operating at peak mental capacity, then it’s seen as wholly defensible even as her policies ostensibly align much more closely with Sanders I don’t actually blame her from a certain standpoint, the party apparatus is very powerful and flouting it comes with a price. but if you think this specific tactic gets us any closer to single payer or a meaningful reduction in carbon emissions, then you have as little claim on political reality as t most pie in the sky Bernie bro.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
Puffin otm’ing up the joint
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:11 (four years ago) link
man who could have seen this ‘sanders cannot lose, he can only be betrayed’ narrative coming
― iatee, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:12 (four years ago) link
Biden's faults have not stopped him from getting endorsements from people who are not white nor male nor straight.
"The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored."
This isn't going to go away till the world changes, and what we perhaps have is a candidate who may set things on a different path. This is individualizing pain and refusing to look at what's at stake for everyone else. Try to gain power. The moderates totally understand this.
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:13 (four years ago) link
"what we perhaps have" we???
― Mordy, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
This isn't going to go away till the world changes
Otm, if only there were a way to try to get the world to change. You could call it, I dunno, "tickypols"
― Quinoa pedal (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link
I dunno. I do have a daughter, but even if I didn't I would like to think that I would advocate for a better atmosphere in which she and her peers might live and conduct a public life in a democracy.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:25 (four years ago) link
well I don’t blame you will. the gym is the quintessence of individualized pain
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:26 (four years ago) link
xp
my warren-supporting friends are regularly voicing their sentiments this week from what is obviously an endorsement of the premise that she was clearly the best candidate, specifically in the sense of being most intelligent capable and effective. in each case it's that premise that licenses their implying that others are at fault in some way for not sharing their position, because how else COULD anyone reject the best most intelligent etc etc?
i don't think any candidate's supporters have more of an affinity for that pattern of thinking than any other, so it's unfair to insinuate that there is something special about sanders supporters in that regard.
― j., Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:27 (four years ago) link
I think Warren’s most objective advantage over Sanders and Biden would’ve been that she’s least likely to be dead soon and that’s hard to campaign on
― college bong rip guy (silby), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:29 (four years ago) link
she probably sees many more years of public service in her future
she's 70
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
Many (though certainly not all) Warren ppl have long been condescendingly baffled by the concept that anyone could prefer Sanders. She was long branded as "Sanders for adults". Not shocked that hasn't helped with the burying of hatchets. (obviously some bernie folks have uh their own flaws but we've covered that)
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:32 (four years ago) link
big difference between 70 and 79
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:33 (four years ago) link
Yeah but she’s a woman, clearly very sharp, and by all appearances very healthy. She could still be doing this well into her 80s. and I hope she does
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:34 (four years ago) link
x post to morbs
Ensuring equality and freedom for women is changing the world. It's not the thing you wait to do afterward.
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:36 (four years ago) link
even as I hurtle towards middle age I will cop to being extremely ageist when it comes to politics, but Sanders (and you some degree Warren) have curbed some of that for me. I mean besides those two, who are the legitimate leftist firebrands in the democratic part older than 35 and younger than 70?
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:38 (four years ago) link
*to some degree Warren
I guess it depends on what you mean by leftist or a firebrand.
― Josh in Chicago, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:39 (four years ago) link
or for that matter, llegitimate.
pretty sure if Warren winds up not endorsing Bernie, it's not simply going to be because of Bernie Bros. You can mention a thing without it being "the only" thing. or even the primary thing.
― Garu you just posted flange (wins), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:40 (four years ago) link
I think losing her own home state -not even the runner-up- had to have been a severe blow to Warren and is also messing with her ability to come to an endorsement announcement either way. I’m just projecting here, as a fellow human being , but when I take a hard hit that shakes my sense of being supported in the world, it’s just hard to come back quickly and make full-throated declarations on behalf of anything or anyone (including myself). And an endorsement is not very credible or useful if it’s not full-throated and delivered with conviction. Just a thought.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link
fair. I guess... national profile, generally positive associations, at least within the left of center and further left, and think the GND (or similar) and M4A are as important as every single Republican sees the pro life movement and protecting their read of the 2nd Amnemdnet
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:42 (four years ago) link
― a man often referred to in the news media as the Duke of Saxony (tipsy mothra), Saturday, 7 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink
ok, is Warren's silence doing this? Bernie went all out for Clinton, why can't Warren do the minimum?
― xyzzzz__, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:47 (four years ago) link
Just to expand on my point: I think coming in third in Mass. could have sent Warren’s internal political compass spinning to the point where strategic decisions like endorsements will be difficult for a while. Maybe she’s waiting for the compass to settle.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link
But not spinning out so hard she's avoiding media appearances
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:51 (four years ago) link
not at all surprising to me she did poorly here, she appeals to the same narrow band as anywhere else once you put a bernie to the left of her
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
my warren-supporting friends are regularly voicing their sentiments this week from what is obviously an endorsement of the premise that she was clearly the best candidate, specifically in the sense of being most intelligent capable and effective. in each case it's that premise that licenses their implying that others are at fault in some way for not sharing their position, because how else COULD anyone reject the best most intelligent etc etc?i don't think any candidate's supporters have more of an affinity for that pattern of thinking than any other, so it's unfair to insinuate that there is something special about sanders supporters in that regard.― j., Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:27 PM (fifteen minutes ago)
― j., Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:27 PM (fifteen minutes ago)
idk I don't see a lot of sanders supporters openly admitting that their campaign has made mistakes, and while I agree that there's plenty of finger pointing from the warren camp, there's also been a decent amount of talk about the mistakes that were made. maybe the bros are all sitting on their hands waiting until the body is officially declared dead, but I kinda doubt it. and I mean, sanders went from winning with 35% of the vote to losing with 35% of the vote - I think there's a good argument that the campaign actually had a fairly cohesive strategy (trump 2016), just one that was dependent on forces outside of its control.
― iatee, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:54 (four years ago) link
i don't know that there was a way to beat such a sudden coordinated push
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 March 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
I will say my Warren friends (most tbh, except for the Pete dork) definitely seem to be gravitating towards Joe, mostly bc they seem chastened(?) by a mediaverse that rewards centrism and have been convinced he’s possibly ever so slightly more electable. And yes, a couple are pretty angry and seem to be doing so punitively. I’m not poking the bear, but the latter does seem as futile and wrong-headed as Bernie dead-enders who did the same to Hillary in 2016. I was annoyed by that back then, and it honestly took me 2 solid years to come around to the candidate himself.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 19:05 (four years ago) link
That post should have been preceded with:it may just be online anecdata in the places I check, but it does seem like a lot of Warren supporters have jumped over to Bernie.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Saturday, 7 March 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link