2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Hope the civility fetishists like losing to Trump again

we all love it that's why we're here

btw what is it like day four of this shit

Five.

civil wars aren't won in a day or even a week.

just mentally prepare for North ILX and South ILX

Mr. Puffin - if Warren is using online abuse to not endorse Sanders then this is not an excuse. Twitter is used by a small-ish sample of the population for a start and that discourse on this is smaller still. The bigger picture is her policy platform is similar to Sanders, she did not get as many delegates for whatever reasons but she ought to support the person who has more with a similar set of policies and is still in the race. Swallow your pride or whatever and do it.

As it happens your daughter will not get a better atmosphere online. We will not do better here, its brutal out there if you are advocating for the re-distribution of wealth or a planet that might be liveable. That's the bottom line.

i will say it's been rich to see the left who are very immediately dismissive of the idea of "berniebros" or thinking of sanders' supporters as a monolith deriving their idea of warren's base from... her very online twitter supporters

everyone's brain is poisoned, imo

Mine certainly is, I have nothing to do today and I should be reading or something but I’m posting instead and don’t know how to stop

pretty sure if Warren winds up not endorsing Bernie, it's not simply going to be because of Bernie Bros. You can mention a thing without it being "the only" thing. or even the primary thing.

xyzzzz laying on the misogyny gives this thread a boogeyman to unify both opposing factions, sort of like Ozymandias releasing the squid in New York.

Let’s not lose sight of our real enemy, Fred

yeah that was a gross post and i flagged it xp

Fred's more the guy following the generals around asking them to implement his controversial strategies to win the war

I though Warren was a progressive, why are we making excuses for her?

i thought warren dropped out of the race

that was just a headfake

People that drop out of the race could endorse another who is still in the race.

We’re fighting about Liz Lads and Bernard Brothers because we all agree that Joe Biden is an egregious motherfucker and there’s nothing to fight about there.

well what's the point if she's just gonna direct bourgie white women to bernie

to what end?

whoops xpost

Both sides have common goals?

being less bourgie?

We all have to start somewhere.

Xyz, no one has said that online abuse is the reason, or even the main reason. As Neanderthal notes.

That's a really convenient strawperson you have there - that if Warren and her supporters aren't jumping immediately onto the BernWagon, it's just because "someone was mean to me on the twitter" or "eek I saw an emjoi and now I'm gonna vote for Biden."

The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored.

They speak not just of disappointment that Warren didn't get more traction, but that women in general haven't, and won't, and will have to wait, yet again. This from bourgie and non-, white- and non, even women and non.

But if you prefer to have the narrative be "poor privileged snowflakes saw a snake emoji and bailed on WHAT TRULY MATTERS," whatev.

ymp otm as hell

otm.

fwiw after finding out about the term “bobos” by which Parisians refer to the bohemian-ish bourgeoisie that populate some of their northeastern quartiers I’ve gradually and begrudgingly come to accept that’s the label that best describes my station.

I realize that makes me almost universally contemptible.

imo she’s laying the groundwork for not endorsing Bernie because she is a Democratic Party lifer (post-party switch obv), and that’s NOT meant to be an epithet in this instance. she probably sees many more years of public service in her future and she wants to be in the tent. if the Bernie-sphere can be rendered as toxic as Biden’s public lifetime of unconscionable positions and the fact that he’s very clearly not operating at peak mental capacity, then it’s seen as wholly defensible even as her policies ostensibly align much more closely with Sanders

I don’t actually blame her from a certain standpoint, the party apparatus is very powerful and flouting it comes with a price. but if you think this specific tactic gets us any closer to single payer or a meaningful reduction in carbon emissions, then you have as little claim on political reality as t most pie in the sky Bernie bro.

Puffin otm’ing up the joint

man who could have seen this ‘sanders cannot lose, he can only be betrayed’ narrative coming

Biden's faults have not stopped him from getting endorsements from people who are not white nor male nor straight.

"The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored."

This isn't going to go away till the world changes, and what we perhaps have is a candidate who may set things on a different path. This is individualizing pain and refusing to look at what's at stake for everyone else. Try to gain power. The moderates totally understand this.

"what we perhaps have" we???

This isn't going to go away till the world changes

Otm, if only there were a way to try to get the world to change. You could call it, I dunno, "tickypols"

man who could have seen this ‘sanders cannot lose, he can only be betrayed’ narrative coming

I dunno. I do have a daughter, but even if I didn't I would like to think that I would advocate for a better atmosphere in which she and her peers might live and conduct a public life in a democracy.

well I don’t blame you will. the gym is the quintessence of individualized pain

xp

my warren-supporting friends are regularly voicing their sentiments this week from what is obviously an endorsement of the premise that she was clearly the best candidate, specifically in the sense of being most intelligent capable and effective. in each case it's that premise that licenses their implying that others are at fault in some way for not sharing their position, because how else COULD anyone reject the best most intelligent etc etc?

i don't think any candidate's supporters have more of an affinity for that pattern of thinking than any other, so it's unfair to insinuate that there is something special about sanders supporters in that regard.

I think Warren’s most objective advantage over Sanders and Biden would’ve been that she’s least likely to be dead soon and that’s hard to campaign on

she probably sees many more years of public service in her future

she's 70

Many (though certainly not all) Warren ppl have long been condescendingly baffled by the concept that anyone could prefer Sanders. She was long branded as "Sanders for adults". Not shocked that hasn't helped with the burying of hatchets. (obviously some bernie folks have uh their own flaws but we've covered that)

big difference between 70 and 79

Yeah but she’s a woman, clearly very sharp, and by all appearances very healthy. She could still be doing this well into her 80s. and I hope she does

x post to morbs

This isn't going to go away till the world changes

Ensuring equality and freedom for women is changing the world. It's not the thing you wait to do afterward.

even as I hurtle towards middle age I will cop to being extremely ageist when it comes to politics, but Sanders (and you some degree Warren) have curbed some of that for me. I mean besides those two, who are the legitimate leftist firebrands in the democratic part older than 35 and younger than 70?

*to some degree Warren

I guess it depends on what you mean by leftist or a firebrand.

or for that matter, llegitimate.