2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Great campaign slogan

Nate Silver would approve

re: Warren's endorsement. It may not do much after all but how about some kind of solidarity with the one person left who is running on a similar platform? But I guess the mental wellbeing of bourgie white women on twitter is also at stake. That also matters, its a tough one.

This is on Bernie, he Democrats voting out of fear like they generally do, they lost it.

fixed

So weird that this article has apparently been deleted.

http://web.archive.org/web/20200118132850/https://www.huffpost.com/entry/joe-biden-racist-myth-black-parents_n_5e2215a9c5b674e44b980327

(the current amp link still works but it's gone on the site proper)

If Trump hadn’t run on Building That Wall maybe he’d actually be President now. Oh wait

Medicare for all is the main point of the Bernie campaign. Do you know how frightening it is to see a doctor here?

v curious to hopefully someday get some more robust data about SC and southern black dem voter preferences. how many of those who voted biden *also* liked bernie, but just liked/trusted biden more? if that number is high perhaps bernie made more headway than the top-line numbers indicate, and contributed more long-term to the fight for things like m4a (about which sic is thoroughly otm and Fred B is back to being mr smiley troll).

Ban Fred btw

re: Warren's endorsement. It may not do much after all but how about some kind of solidarity with the one person left who is running on a similar platform? But I guess the mental wellbeing of bourgie white women on twitter is also at stake. That also matters, its a tough one.

if you look at SC black voters as a large group of pretty moderate democrats who happen to be black instead of a bloc that can be won over w/ the right appeal to their identity, then the best way to win more southern black support might have been stuff like 'not call for a revolution' and 'register with the democratic party' - ie the same things that would have helped sanders expand his coalition regardless.

In Michigan -- must win for Sanders -- he sounded miffed about Gov. Whitmer's endorsement of Biden: “Well, that wasn’t her thoughts when I came here to help her get elected, as a matter of fact.'' https://t.co/hF3W6UiK0S

— Trip Gabriel (@tripgabriel) March 7, 2020

As noted, before she locked the nomination he actively campaigned for her primary opponent

I guess the mental wellbeing of bourgie white women on twitter is also at stake. That also matters, its a tough one

This is a really shitty take for a lot of reasons.

1. How this race is/was conducted matters to a lot more people than just "bourgie white women on twitter." (About which, gah, fuck you)

2. Calling out and opposing misogyny - in the media, in public discourse, in politics, and yes even online - has downstream impacts quite apart from Warren and her campaign specifically.

3. Look, we get that Warren won't be President. And that probably a woman President is still a ways off, as long as male politicians continue to see good cardiologists.

4. That doesn't mean that the wish for a woman President - of quality - was just a bourgie white concern. The treatment of women candidates 2008-2020 deserves some scrutiny, because the next woman candidate (and the next one, and the one after that) are going to be competing in a landscape that will be shaped by people who are paying attention now. If AOC runs in the future, she will inherit the landscape that Clinton and Warren ran in, and perhaps we can do better?

6. And if now isn't the time to discuss it, when? Maybe the line is "this is not the time to focus on that because the world is on fire." Well, when will the world not be on fire?

If we listen to lots of ilxors the assumption is that there probably won't be a future, and there definitely won't be a future if we don't (insert urgent thing here).

Yeah I dunno. I do have a daughter, but even if I didn't I would like to think that I would advocate for a better atmosphere in which she and her peers might live and conduct a public life in a democracy.

otfm

Voters love being told they dont matter, really earns their support

Berniebros might consider that the reason he’s losing is his supporters are all too happy to alienate constituencies that are critical to Dems winning elections

There’s definitely only one reason and you definitely know what it is

Just like we all know the one particular reason Hilary lost

Hope the civility fetishists like losing to Trump again

we all love it that's why we're here

btw what is it like day four of this shit

Five.

civil wars aren't won in a day or even a week.

just mentally prepare for North ILX and South ILX

Mr. Puffin - if Warren is using online abuse to not endorse Sanders then this is not an excuse. Twitter is used by a small-ish sample of the population for a start and that discourse on this is smaller still. The bigger picture is her policy platform is similar to Sanders, she did not get as many delegates for whatever reasons but she ought to support the person who has more with a similar set of policies and is still in the race. Swallow your pride or whatever and do it.

As it happens your daughter will not get a better atmosphere online. We will not do better here, its brutal out there if you are advocating for the re-distribution of wealth or a planet that might be liveable. That's the bottom line.

i will say it's been rich to see the left who are very immediately dismissive of the idea of "berniebros" or thinking of sanders' supporters as a monolith deriving their idea of warren's base from... her very online twitter supporters

everyone's brain is poisoned, imo

Mine certainly is, I have nothing to do today and I should be reading or something but I’m posting instead and don’t know how to stop

pretty sure if Warren winds up not endorsing Bernie, it's not simply going to be because of Bernie Bros. You can mention a thing without it being "the only" thing. or even the primary thing.

xyzzzz laying on the misogyny gives this thread a boogeyman to unify both opposing factions, sort of like Ozymandias releasing the squid in New York.

Let’s not lose sight of our real enemy, Fred

yeah that was a gross post and i flagged it xp

Fred's more the guy following the generals around asking them to implement his controversial strategies to win the war

I though Warren was a progressive, why are we making excuses for her?

i thought warren dropped out of the race

that was just a headfake

People that drop out of the race could endorse another who is still in the race.

We’re fighting about Liz Lads and Bernard Brothers because we all agree that Joe Biden is an egregious motherfucker and there’s nothing to fight about there.

well what's the point if she's just gonna direct bourgie white women to bernie

to what end?

whoops xpost

Both sides have common goals?

being less bourgie?

We all have to start somewhere.

Xyz, no one has said that online abuse is the reason, or even the main reason. As Neanderthal notes.

That's a really convenient strawperson you have there - that if Warren and her supporters aren't jumping immediately onto the BernWagon, it's just because "someone was mean to me on the twitter" or "eek I saw an emjoi and now I'm gonna vote for Biden."

The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored.

They speak not just of disappointment that Warren didn't get more traction, but that women in general haven't, and won't, and will have to wait, yet again. This from bourgie and non-, white- and non, even women and non.

But if you prefer to have the narrative be "poor privileged snowflakes saw a snake emoji and bailed on WHAT TRULY MATTERS," whatev.

ymp otm as hell

otm.

fwiw after finding out about the term “bobos” by which Parisians refer to the bohemian-ish bourgeoisie that populate some of their northeastern quartiers I’ve gradually and begrudgingly come to accept that’s the label that best describes my station.

I realize that makes me almost universally contemptible.

imo she’s laying the groundwork for not endorsing Bernie because she is a Democratic Party lifer (post-party switch obv), and that’s NOT meant to be an epithet in this instance. she probably sees many more years of public service in her future and she wants to be in the tent. if the Bernie-sphere can be rendered as toxic as Biden’s public lifetime of unconscionable positions and the fact that he’s very clearly not operating at peak mental capacity, then it’s seen as wholly defensible even as her policies ostensibly align much more closely with Sanders

I don’t actually blame her from a certain standpoint, the party apparatus is very powerful and flouting it comes with a price. but if you think this specific tactic gets us any closer to single payer or a meaningful reduction in carbon emissions, then you have as little claim on political reality as t most pie in the sky Bernie bro.

Puffin otm’ing up the joint

man who could have seen this ‘sanders cannot lose, he can only be betrayed’ narrative coming

Biden's faults have not stopped him from getting endorsements from people who are not white nor male nor straight.

"The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored."

This isn't going to go away till the world changes, and what we perhaps have is a candidate who may set things on a different path. This is individualizing pain and refusing to look at what's at stake for everyone else. Try to gain power. The moderates totally understand this.