Would that it were Inslee!
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:22 (four years ago) link
So what stunt can Bernie pull to get some good vibes at least going again? Cuz he needs one right about now.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:25 (four years ago) link
This is some pretty good calculus:https://theintercept.com/2020/03/06/elizabeth-warren-should-endorse-bernie-sanders/
Warren’s longterm threat to Biden and the party establishment is only as strong as her ties to the progressive movement, and the same is true of an eventual endorsement of Biden. Her value in a general election to Biden is her ability to bring Biden the progressive vote and help him unite the disparate wings of the party. Clearly, then, Warren is more valuable to Biden as an eventual endorser if she can actually bring progressives with her, and the most effective way she can do that is if she has endorsed and campaigned for Sanders. The same calculation was true in 2016. Warren’s endorsement of Clinton would have been more valuable to Clinton had Warren originally endorsed Sanders, and would have had more of a unifying effect than it ultimately did. Had Warren endorsed Sanders first, she’d likely have been able to bring more Sanders people with her when she switched to Clinton.The other possibility — that with Warren’s endorsement, Sanders might surge back and claim the nomination — would also be a boon to Warren, who could name her position(s) in the new administration. And, indeed, with an unstable president and an unpredictable pandemic, any outcome is possible. But given the possible head-to-heads in the general election, and Biden’s demonstrated inability to campaign effectively, there’s more likely to be an administration for Warren to serve with Sanders as the nominee.But, again, if Sanders falls short, and Warren and Sanders both endorse Biden, she will, paradoxically, have done Biden a significant favor by previously endorsing against him.
― DJI, Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:25 (four years ago) link
I would be delighted to be proven wrong but I really, really don't think that endorsement is on the way.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:35 (four years ago) link
I was about to read that but the intercept
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:45 (four years ago) link
Ugh. Same here on both counts
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:45 (four years ago) link
Xp
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:46 (four years ago) link
if you can read the NYT/WaPo or watch MSNBC clips you can read the intercept ffs, the bullshit ratio is similar if not better
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:52 (four years ago) link
why in the name of all that’s holy would I watch MSNBC clips?
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
Did The Nation endorsing Bernie make waves... anywhere? (obv. not in results but it's weird to think about how little anyone pays attention to the only lefty media you could find in most places in the '90s)
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:54 (four years ago) link
I had no idea so I'm gonna say no
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/endorsement-2020-bernie-sanders/
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:55 (four years ago) link
I don't think a Warren endorsement would be that valuable at this point, enough time has passed that anyone who pays enough attention to her to care about her endorsement knows it would be grudging.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 02:56 (four years ago) link
I appreciate the 5D CHESS!! of “Warren should def endorse Bernie to make her Biden endorsement more meaningful.”idk why anyone in Bernie’s camp wants her endorsement. they’ve spent the past couple of months convincing me she’s Not A Real Progressive.
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:01 (four years ago) link
by "his camp" do you mean snotty young supporters or the actual campaign
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:03 (four years ago) link
I was an Inslee stan till last August. Wish it gave me a warmer feeling to see him back in the news.
One of 10 candidates I'd prefer to the current options.
― sedated, paralyzed, on respirator, slowly drowning (Sanpaku), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:06 (four years ago) link
That describes only 5% of the Bernie camp folks I know, but whatever, I feel like we’ve flogged this horse to a pulp in the previous thread
Xp to roger
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:09 (four years ago) link
I think a well-timed Warren endorsement could have done a lot to make the Sanders campaign seem less ideologically isolated, which in turn might have helped with the credibility issue, the sense that he's promising outlandish ideas no one else thinks is worth pursuing, that he's not really "serious." It wouldn't just be about bringing her (whatever) % into the fold, it would be to help say, "hey, these views are representative of a certain wing of the party." And most people aren't really paying a ton of attention to the insider beef shit.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:14 (four years ago) link
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link
Yeah and also more simplistically sometimes just that shot of juice / endorphins that a symbolic act like an endorsement provides can do wonders for the whole spirit around a campaign . Right now Bernie-land is pretty morose.
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:21 (four years ago) link
Xp again
otm
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:22 (four years ago) link
I almost want AOC to unendorse Bernie so she could re-endorse him again
― never have i been a blue calm sea (collardio gelatinous), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:36 (four years ago) link
She should unendorse him go to endorse Biden and then do the "too slow" handshake thing.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:41 (four years ago) link
why are Sanders supporters so poisonous on twitter
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 04:26 (four years ago) link
Life is short. Embrace opportunities to imagine the dream of a new possibility.
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:16 (four years ago) link
IT ISN'T "THE PRIMARY," GODFUCKINGDAMMIT! PRIMARIES!
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:19 (four years ago) link
this is the primary thread to discuss Democratic presidential in
― ciderpress, Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:20 (four years ago) link
I was prepared to vote for Bernie in the CA primary but if I were faced with this choice now I honestly don't know... ― Οὖτις, Saturday, March 7, 2020 9:37 AM (eight hours ago)
― Οὖτις, Saturday, March 7, 2020 9:37 AM (eight hours ago)
IT ISN'T "THE PRIMARY," GODFUCKINGDAMMIT! PRIMARIES!― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:19 PM (one hour ago)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, March 7, 2020 4:19 PM (one hour ago)
that's Shakey telt
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 07:30 (four years ago) link
Fuck, Bernie is at 1 in 50 chance of a majority in the 538 forecast. Sorry, you can't blame Warren for not wanting to endorse that. This is on Bernie, he lost it.
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 09:52 (four years ago) link
Also, holy shit you guys talked a lot about Warren through the night, huh? Honestly crazy how much anger there is at her after Bernie fucked this up so massively
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link
at least someone is happy:) ^
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 09:58 (four years ago) link
More seriously the window for a Warren endorsement is long gone, if it was every really even an option
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link
... she suspended her campaign yesterday
I mean, I don't imagine that she'll expect the louder Bernie fans to be anything but pissy about handing over those votes she stole, but the endorsement is still likely coming.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:11 (four years ago) link
lol
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:11 (four years ago) link
It was never an option, but yeah it would help even less today than it would have done a week ago
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link
oops that lol was meant for a different thread sorry!
If you're going to endorse anyone it carries more weight if you do it immediately. Biden's endorsers had hardly any time to play with and needed to strike while iron was hot.
(I'm not suggesting Warren is required to endorse Bernie, or indeed anyone else). Bernie needed a lot more than just one endorsment anyway and he should have been hunting down other names to counter Biden's recent set of endorsements, the cumulative effect of which was worth than any specific one
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:15 (four years ago) link
There weren't any other candidates to get, except for Tulsi's dead-enders and their militia already voted.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:18 (four years ago) link
That's on Bernie, not Warren though
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:21 (four years ago) link
He got Marianne Williamson as a surrogate. She began tweeting about coups...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:22 (four years ago) link
Warren's failure is her own poor campaign not the lack of endorsement (which she isn't obliged to give)
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:25 (four years ago) link
No one said anything about fault but the narrative of failure to get an endorsement from people whose political aims are opposed to his is dumb. "Okay, so we'll abandon Medicare4All Pete, you in?!"
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link
a) nonsenseb) there are still 30 states to go and Biden might accidentally go on TV in the next few days and let voters see him talk
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:26 (four years ago) link
I don't think it's dumb to look at where we are now and say that Sanders strategy wrt m4a was a mistake
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:27 (four years ago) link
I think voters have seen Biden talk, sic...
― Frederik B, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:28 (four years ago) link
Assuming you're right Fred, what should Bernie have done differently
a) pre-Nevadab) between Nevada and Super Tuesdayc) since Super Tuesday
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:31 (four years ago) link
(fwiw i largely agree with you that Warren isn't really a factor)
― anvil, Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:32 (four years ago) link
Abandoning your signature and most popular issue is a strong political strategy.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:35 (four years ago) link
Most voters do not pay as much attention as the people in these threads and (fingers crossed) now have fewer distractions in the field
he near-singlehandedly made it an issue of national discussion and has mobilised millions of young ppl on the issue (many of whom are not able to take eight hours on a work day to caucus or vote in a primary despite now being engaged), and weaponised a slogan to do so which nobody has achieved in seventy years of post-New-Deal politicking. the fact that this has activated multibillion for-profit health"care" corporations, who donate to shitty Dems, against him was not a reason to not do this.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:36 (four years ago) link
There were no debates between South Carolina, endorsements and Super Tuesday or since. When Biden speaks, it does seem to hurt him (cf. the first three states).
Which is cool because if he wins anyway, it will be fodder for the narrative that Bernie tanked him.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 7 March 2020 10:38 (four years ago) link
everybody loves arrayment
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Wednesday, 15 April 2020 12:40 (four years ago) link
it's a shame about array
― here 1st (roxymuzak), Thursday, 16 April 2020 22:08 (four years ago) link
voodoo array
― Fleetwood Machiavelli (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
new phone, who disarray
― Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 16 April 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
I wanna know, have you ever seen array
a hard arrayn's gonna fall
here comes array again
stil I wonder, who'll stop array
― Fleetwood Machiavelli (Ye Mad Puffin), Thursday, 16 April 2020 22:28 (four years ago) link
https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/letter-new-left-biden/
if anyone's running low on tp
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 16 April 2020 22:49 (four years ago) link
"An Open Letter to the New New Left From the Old New Left"
“work hard to elect him” lol as if, that’s definitely too much to ask
― silby, Thursday, 16 April 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link
Doesnt @JoeBiden already have that white suburban female vote covered https://t.co/T8t9ntIVkj— Kim Gordon (@KimletGordon) April 17, 2020
Kim Gordon keeping the torch burning
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 17 April 2020 05:23 (four years ago) link
pfft everyone knows the intercept is in the tank for putin
― Larry Elleison (rogermexico.), Friday, 17 April 2020 05:26 (four years ago) link
Oops, meant that for the Bernie bro thread
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Friday, 17 April 2020 05:32 (four years ago) link
they're all the Bernie bro thread
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 17 April 2020 05:33 (four years ago) link
and here I thought Dems didn't know how to open a negotiation by asking for more than they think they'll get. turns out some of them must have figured it out.
I was searching for an analog in my experience to this Sanders/Biden situation. I rejected my first thought, which tried to compare it to McCarthy/Humphrey, because Humphrey was to deeply a part of the war administration that McCarthy supporters were trying to overthrow.
The nearest I could come was the counterfactual of Ed Muskie having beat out McGovern and asking McGovern supporters to help him beat Nixon. It would have been a hard sell, but we all had had a good dose of Nixon's war policy by then and I am sure that our hatred of Nixon would have sealed the deal. But to "work hard" for Muskie would have been a bridge too far for most anti-war youth.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 17 April 2020 05:44 (four years ago) link
the analog is every primary ever
― k3vin k., Friday, 17 April 2020 23:04 (four years ago) link
if the current state of the US, both domestically and internationally, has not already put you in a position to determine if you plan to vote against or for Donald Trump, a call from a phone bank ain't gonna do it.
― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EV2HSSuX0AYxb_u?format=jpg&name=medium
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link
goddamn, coronavirus is rotting the brains of america's pundit class
― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link
This is a helpful balm on the off-chance you were feeling guilty about not phone-banking, or if you are phone-banking and you don't feel like you're doing ENOUGH phone-banking.
Surely there is a demographic for whom a landline phone call from a stranger will make a difference in what they do or don't do. I know I am not in this demographic. Happy to be educated on who they are.
― Fleetwood Machiavelli (Ye Mad Puffin), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link
What makes this primary unusual is the size of the progressive movement's vote share, which must be courted by the colorless, lifeless moderate. No one as progressive as Sanders has come this close to the nomination in a very long time, except... Sanders in 2016. And in this case the occupant of the White House isn't Obama, but Trump, whose policies, corruption and incompetence make him as hated by progressives as Nixon was.
― A is for (Aimless), Saturday, 18 April 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link
it's a shame Jay Inslee died and so couldn't be finagled into the Democratic nominee, or put on national TV every night like the governor of New York
The president’s statements this morning encourage illegal and dangerous acts. He is putting millions of people in danger of contracting COVID-19. His unhinged rantings and calls for people to “liberate” states could also lead to violence. We’ve seen it before. The president is fomenting domestic rebellion and spreading lies - even while his own administration says the virus is real, it is deadly and that we have a long way to go before restrictions can be lifted.Just yesterday, the president told the nation science would guide his plan for easing restrictions. The White House released a sensible plan laying out many of the guidelines that I agree are essential to follow, as we work to resume economic activity.Less than 24 hrs later, Trump is off the rails, ignoring his own plan and spewing dangerous, anti-democratic rhetoric. The president’s actions threaten his own goal of recovery. His words will likely cause a spike in infections where distancing is working. That will further postpose the 14 days of decline his own guidance says is necessary to ease restrictions. We appreciate our continued relationship with the vice president, Dr. Birx, Admiral Polowczyk, Admiral Giroir and others in the federal government. But their work is undermined by the president's irresponsible statements.I hope someday we can look at today’s meltdown as something to be pitied, rather than condemned. But we don’t have that luxury today. There is too much at stake.I encourage political leaders of all sorts to speak out firmly against the president’s calls for rebellion. Americans need to work together to protect each other. It’s the only way to slow the spread of this deadly virus and get us on the road to recovery.
His unhinged rantings and calls for people to “liberate” states could also lead to violence. We’ve seen it before.
The president is fomenting domestic rebellion and spreading lies - even while his own administration says the virus is real, it is deadly and that we have a long way to go before restrictions can be lifted.
Just yesterday, the president told the nation science would guide his plan for easing restrictions. The White House released a sensible plan laying out many of the guidelines that I agree are essential to follow, as we work to resume economic activity.
Less than 24 hrs later, Trump is off the rails, ignoring his own plan and spewing dangerous, anti-democratic rhetoric.
The president’s actions threaten his own goal of recovery. His words will likely cause a spike in infections where distancing is working.
That will further postpose the 14 days of decline his own guidance says is necessary to ease restrictions.
We appreciate our continued relationship with the vice president, Dr. Birx, Admiral Polowczyk, Admiral Giroir and others in the federal government. But their work is undermined by the president's irresponsible statements.
I hope someday we can look at today’s meltdown as something to be pitied, rather than condemned. But we don’t have that luxury today. There is too much at stake.
I encourage political leaders of all sorts to speak out firmly against the president’s calls for rebellion.
Americans need to work together to protect each other. It’s the only way to slow the spread of this deadly virus and get us on the road to recovery.
― donald failson (sic), Saturday, 18 April 2020 02:49 (four years ago) link
btw NY has CANCELED its prez primary while there are still local contests that will be held... so what is the prince up to?
Strong suspicion that the cancellation of the Dem primary, while it has the side effect of harming this bid to get Bernie delegates to the convention, is really about protecting threatened Dem incumbents challenged from the left by giving voters less reason to turn out https://t.co/Hcm9jqzf78— David Dayen (@ddayen) April 27, 2020
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 April 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
NY has CANCELED its prez primary
I think it would have to be the NY Democratic Central Committee who decided that, not the NY state elections authorities. But, yeah, NY party politics have long been played from the bottom of the deck as much as the top. Machine politics were practically invented in NY.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 April 2020 20:52 (four years ago) link
democracy briefly returns to NY
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/judge-restores-ny-democratic-presidential-primary-on-june-23/2403840/
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:31 (four years ago) link
hope this inspiring figure can get back in the game :(
Black lives depend on whether America can be what we want to believe it is. What we need it to be. What it could be. Systemic racism is so woven into the fabric of this country, facing it will take action, honesty, listening, and deep, deep change. And for many of us, humility.— Pete Buttigieg (@PeteButtigieg) May 29, 2020
― massage angry pixels (sic), Saturday, 30 May 2020 06:57 (three years ago) link
white noise of the softest kind
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 30 May 2020 12:17 (three years ago) link