You can see the people and sets.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:28 (four years ago) link
that lens flare though
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 00:52 (four years ago) link
God that was a boring episode!
― Feminism-Appropriating Regressive Transphobe (Leee), Sunday, 8 March 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
Lowest-rated episode (on 7-day figures) in nu-Who history, placed 30th for the week.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
On BBC America, S11 averaged 880k with 0.28 in 18-49 demographic. S12 opened with 790k and 0.19 in the demo, dropped to 370k and 0.12 by the finale.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Monday, 9 March 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
what about catchup?
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link
(on 7-day figures)
it only aired seven days ago tbf
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:21 (four years ago) link
(those BBCA figures are ON though)
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 04:41 (four years ago) link
VOSDAL was up over the week before, but only enough to make up the difference, and eps 1-9 had Call The Midwife as lead-in: so that's a statistical 3,000 viewers whose families sat through Who with them if they'd been watching already.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 05:03 (four years ago) link
cheers sic
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 05:05 (four years ago) link
Apparently DWM, for the first time in its forty-year history, didn't review the episodes of this seasom.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:09 (four years ago) link
Seasom: a meditative season.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link
Did they explain why?
― JimD, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:21 (four years ago) link
Seems not. Also apparently in the last issue, they said there would be a full season review in the next issue, but then there wasn't.
Obviously the only conclusion to draw is that every single review was filed but contained hidden messages spelling out "CHIBNALL IS A CUNT" and had to be spiked, one by one
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 22:53 (four years ago) link
I am still a huge fan of this show and I will continue watching it but WOW was that a gigantic load of wank
― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 00:58 (four years ago) link
Apparently only 33 stories have rated lower in the whole history of the show since 1963, for what that's worth.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
(That's probably episodes, not stories btw - the old series had 155 stories in 695 episodes, nu-Who has 130 stories in 165 full-length televised eps so far.) ([I don't know that anyone's averaged out each story's ratings across 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 10, 12 or 14 episodes, interesting as that would be, but comparing 1960s and 2020 ratings is apples and kumquats anyway: the sort of numbers that have the show plummeting into the 30s on the chart now would have it falling out of its regular place in the 50s-90s in 1968, and did have it falling off the chart altogether in 1989.])
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 04:32 (four years ago) link
I am by no means the most qualified Who viewer to weigh in, but I do love the show... after finally catching up with the last few eps, this season was the worst of any I can think of, the finale was garbage, and Chibnall should be canned.
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 04:54 (four years ago) link
on Day Of The Doctor comparisons: Who twitter is doing a quarantine watchalong of the special rn (Moffatt has rejoined twitter for the occasion and is commenting along at #savetheday), and every 2-minute chunk has at LEAST as much character, plot, visual play and verbal jokes as the clip upthread
― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Saturday, 21 March 2020 19:38 (four years ago) link
As does this:
Yes! Here it is, courtesy of @StevenWMoffat and with the help of @McIntoshNeve, my esteemed colleague Strax entreats you to #SaveTheDay and join us in our viewing of The Day of The Doctor. Today at 7pm GMT, 3pm EST and all around the world! #DoctorWho pic.twitter.com/ljqFWM6QRE— Dan Starkey (@StanDarkley) March 21, 2020
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Saturday, 21 March 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link
Love that early 2000s DWM article posted upthread that basically rips on all the ideas Chibnall had in the finale.
Rewatching the special was fun. I didn’t find Clara especially interesting at the time but she might as well be a Karmazov brother next to Yaz.
Osgood also fun. Not sure why they messed around with that character.
― Chuck_Tatum, Saturday, 21 March 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
- across 17 Chib-era stories with new aliens in, we've hadTzim-Sha, of the warlike Stenzaspace racist Kraskopilot's brother Durkas *alien tree monsters the Moraxamnesiac pilot Paltraki vs the religious Ux in The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolosinterdimensional Kasaavinsspider monsters the Skithraplastic virus Praxeusnightmare werewolf monsters the Chagaskaand what is Ko Sharmus?
Tzim-Sha, of the warlike Stenzaspace racist Kraskopilot's brother Durkas *alien tree monsters the Moraxamnesiac pilot Paltraki vs the religious Ux in The Battle of Ranskoor Av Kolosinterdimensional Kasaavinsspider monsters the Skithraplastic virus Praxeusnightmare werewolf monsters the Chagaskaand what is Ko Sharmus?
the planetary surface of Fintleborxtug
― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link
sounds like they at bare minimum need help coming up with alien species names
― justice 4 CCR (Sparkle Motion), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:40 (four years ago) link
they at bare
Only two of those don't have Chinballs as credited scriptwriter, and it seems hugely unlikely that the other two didn't have his thumb on hte naming scale
― Dollarmite Is My Name (sic), Wednesday, 25 March 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
The scripts for Series 12 are up on the BBC website now, giving more insight into Chibnall's writing approach.
https://i.imgur.com/iKcjiMW.jpg
― Elon's musk (sic), Monday, 11 May 2020 22:11 (three years ago) link
So vomit.
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Monday, 11 May 2020 22:29 (three years ago) link
The amazing iconic trio.
https://i.imgur.com/ZOr5oXt.png https://i.imgur.com/Ptyzs8h.jpg
So non-consensual.
https://i.imgur.com/oq4CtHm.jpg
― Elon's musk (sic), Monday, 11 May 2020 22:43 (three years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/RdrPYpl.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Monday, 11 May 2020 23:38 (three years ago) link
Their love for each other clear. Sad!
― git stash hunks (Leee), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 00:08 (three years ago) link
lolol at both
― Elon's musk (sic), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 00:19 (three years ago) link
so glad i stopped watching this
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
https://sharedmedia.grahamdigital.com/photo/2017/04/28/President%20Trump%20in%20yellow%20chair.jpg_9620156_ver1.0_1280_720.jpg"Their love for each other, people say it's one of the clearest loves in history. So sad!"
― Tuomas, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 06:27 (three years ago) link
Does... he not read back over his own scripts?
― chap, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 09:33 (three years ago) link
Watching the episodes, they certainly felt like first drafts.
― wasdnous (abanana), Tuesday, 12 May 2020 09:52 (three years ago) link
Honestly, given these scripts I am even more amazed that the cast has delivered the characters I watched.
― DJP, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:20 (three years ago) link
Yeah hats off to cast and crew for elevating these scripts to even slightly below mediocre.
― chap, Tuesday, 12 May 2020 14:38 (three years ago) link
So acting
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:01 (three years ago) link
― chap, Tuesday, May 12, 2020 7:33 PM (yesterday)
one might have thought this guy was being rudely hyperbolic two years ago but
There are times where it seems Chibnall has set himself a rule where all of these have to be written in order, and he can’t go back and change anything ... once he’s written it.
“Are we eligible too?”“No, you’re irrelevant.”It’s like he’s written himself a note, but forgotten to do anything about it on a second draft.
It’s like he’s written himself a note, but forgotten to do anything about it on a second draft.
― Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:38 (three years ago) link
(so pioneering)
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 02:45 (three years ago) link
at least this was just the new setup finding its feet and didn't remain a constant trait of the era
The dialogue is generally completely empty, the sort of thing that you might put in as a placeholder when blocking the plot, and then come back to fill in with character beats or jokes or subtle foreshadowing or ironic counterpoints. Chibnall does give the occasional line with spark to Jodie, such as “Taking it as a chance to surprise myself,” or “It’s very all that!” suggesting he is aware of the need to make her stand out to the audience. But equally, it suggests he doesn’t see the need for anyone else to do so. Why have a rammed-full TARDIS team of four if three of them are just there to ask “What’s that, Doctor?!” Even more so if her answer every time is “I don’t know, let’s all figure it out at the same time on the next page of the script when someone tells us.”
― Elon's musk (sic), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 04:04 (three years ago) link
Keep thinking about the "iconic trio" thing. Has a phrase ever been less apt?
― Tsar Bombadil (James Morrison), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 23:57 (three years ago) link
Related to DJP’s point above, they’re kind of iconic to me in the sense that I’ve never pulled so hard for a cast to somehow rise above the incredibly bad material and convince me there are actually stories worth caring about hidden somewhere in all the layers of dumb. I’ve never had particularly high expectations for doctor who, so it’s difficult for me to be disappointed in it sometimes, but this season was certainly a nadir. Those scripts are horrible. Imagine really wanting to put work into that pap and try to make something fun out of it, or to try and convince anyone there’s any stakes.
― El Tomboto, Thursday, 14 May 2020 05:24 (three years ago) link
This thread looks at things that went awry between Ed Hime's script and the produced episode of Orphan 55.
Honestly, this kinda confirms what I thought about O55 - the script is genuinely quite good, super fun to read, pops off the page, but it's so let down by the visuals. Like, this scene reads so tense and aesthetically interesting, and it comes out ... just kinda there. pic.twitter.com/JbURzdKVNP— Sam Maleski (@LookingForTelos) May 11, 2020
(And has a hint that Chibnall took at least a light pass at this, one of three scripts that he didn't add his name to this year:
Sidenote/nitpick: god those scripts use "ICONIC" so fucking much as a descriptor.
)
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 14 May 2020 19:28 (three years ago) link
Script action/parentheticals being semi-literate and cliched is more common than you might think.
― wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 14 May 2020 21:52 (three years ago) link
(...for tv scripts in general. i haven't looked at many Who scripts.)
― wasdnous (abanana), Thursday, 14 May 2020 21:53 (three years ago) link
This is from the joint script for Fugitive of the Judoon with Vinay Patel. If only Chibnall had some sort of writerly tell, so you could guess which lines were his
https://i.imgur.com/dcquKuN.jpg
― Chuck_Tatum, Thursday, 14 May 2020 22:23 (three years ago) link
the (Beat) as well
― Bleeqwot (sic), Thursday, 14 May 2020 22:36 (three years ago) link
So buttons!
― Osedax Church (Leee), Thursday, 14 May 2020 22:53 (three years ago) link
had a look through Spyfall for "iconic"s and "so"s, while listening to long-ass Underworld songs for their artist poll. caught a couple of beats along the way:
PASSENGER Yes, sorry. I'm so clumsy. My sister is always having a go at me for this. Thanks. OLDER PASSENGER No problem at all. Enjoy your flight.The conversation is ever so slightly stilted.
OLDER PASSENGER No problem at all. Enjoy your flight.
The conversation is ever so slightly stilted.
TIBO And that detached retina --that sounds painful. You've been so unlucky.RYAN SINCLAIR So unlucky -- TIBO So what, we don't see you and now you're off travelling?
RYAN SINCLAIR So unlucky --
TIBO So what, we don't see you and now you're off travelling?
ICONIC: moving over Lambeth Bridge to reveal: Thames House
RYAN SINCLAIR So what, MI6 is trying to kill us?
RYAN SINCLAIR So one's hidden inside the other.
We're on the face of O --warm, fierce, likeable, so sharp, and a bit ramshackle --watching the TARDIS materialise,
BROWNING This place. It's open and flat and empty, the whole way round. (Beat) So why does it feel like there are things moving out there?
THE DOCTOR (so quiet) I don't know.(Beat) Let's take a look outside.
SEESAY From what I understand, we were sent here because you're one of the few people who can stop the attacks on our colleagues. So please, go inside, figure it out, and let us do the job we came for. Stand-off. Beat.
Stand-off. Beat.
AND NOW IT'S THE SILHOUETTE THAT LIGHTS UP! A threatening humanoid silhouette now entirely made of light. Glowing! So bright!
And they're moving so fast, like they're feasting on them, with terrible crackles of energy --like they're feral --
Graham checks the screens --so many white glows, moving, bleeding out the camera
The DOCTOR So you can communicate then. Beyond where?
It's clear it's a threat. The Silhouette so close to him now --his face lit by its glow.
Slowly we pull out to reveal it's part of a thick-tree-trunk like pattern. One of many, amidst darkness. So much darkness.
YAZ KHAN(so quiet; so mature; to herself) OK PC Khan. Nothing to worry about.
YAZ KHAN Don't know. (Beat) It was like... nothingness. Nowhere. I was totally alone. (Beat) I was so scared.(Beat) Ryan, I thought I was dead.RYAN SINCLAIRNah, I'm never gonna let that happen to you.
RYAN SINCLAIRNah, I'm never gonna let that happen to you.
good luck with that, mate
RYAN SINCLAIR So do we think Barton was behind assassinating C? And attacking of also the car? And he's in league with these aliens.THE DOCTOR What did he say to the creatures in his office?Yaz KHAN That they should've been discreet.THE DOCTOR So it was like he was in control of them?
THE DOCTOR What did he say to the creatures in his office?
Yaz KHAN That they should've been discreet.
THE DOCTOR So it was like he was in control of them?
The Doctor so still and so quiet as it all connects --
The Doctor steps up --big iconic shot as she announces --THE DOCTOR (CONT'D)The name's Doctor. The Doctor.(Beat)We're on the list.
THE DOCTOR (CONT'D)The name's Doctor. The Doctor.(Beat)We're on the list.
Barton so still, so coiled as he watches.
JUMP CUT: YAZ blows on the dice and throws them -- ICONIC SHOT: the dice tumble down in slo-mo as O and YAZ and a crowd watch --
THE DOCTOR I'm the Doctor. I’m a plus one.(Beat) So -- did you assassinate the head of MI6 yourself? Or just order it?
ICONIC DRONE SHOT: the three bikes zooming down three separate vine alleys --It's bumpy! Close on Graham and Ryan --both yelling as they bump up and down!
The DOCTOR(staring at O; so uneasy)
O That's my name. And that's why I chose it! (grins to the others) So satisfying.
THE MASTEROne last thing. Something you should know. In the seconds before you die.(so serious)Everything that you think you know --is a lie.
Close in on the Doctor --oh and she's so scared --
part 2:
The Silhouette next to Ada now --she's so calm --
DANIEL BARTON So you know. I don't appreciate last minute changes of plan, as I'm about to take off.
O looks at Barton -- so cold. So still. A death stare. Beat.
Close in on O -- so furious. So dark.
YAZ KHAN So let's get moving.
THE DOCTOR So this must be --CHARLES BABBAGE My Difference Engine.
CHARLES BABBAGE My Difference Engine.
ICONIC: Ada and the Doctor run out, as the grenade goes off behind them! Boom!
The Doctor and Ada look up --against the night, framed iconically, heroically --
And Graham stamps his feet so fast and so insistent --stamp stamp stamp stamp --no musicality at all --Laser bolts firing out of the shoe again and again and again! Hitting other things in the street, (lamp-posts, front doors, bushes!) which either spark as they explode or fizzle away ----But also hitting Silhouettes, which stagger back, their heads slamming backwards and upwards in pain -- screeching --turning magenta --And now Graham is turning --like some mad bullfighter stamping and doing a solo El Paso --hands over his head --stamp bolt stamp bolt stamp bolt --so fast, so fast!!
Laser bolts firing out of the shoe again and again and again! Hitting other things in the street, (lamp-posts, front doors, bushes!) which either spark as they explode or fizzle away --
--But also hitting Silhouettes, which stagger back, their heads slamming backwards and upwards in pain -- screeching --turning magenta --
And now Graham is turning --like some mad bullfighter stamping and doing a solo El Paso --hands over his head --stamp bolt stamp bolt stamp bolt --so fast, so fast!!
Beat. The woman stares at him with cold contempt.WOMAN Well done.It's so empty, that sentence. Like ashes in the air.
WOMAN Well done.
It's so empty, that sentence. Like ashes in the air.
A handful of German SOLDIERS. And a SENIOR OFFICER. He gets down from the vehicle. Looks round. We are behind him centre frame, iconic -- but don't see his face.
And he stamps his foot twice! Two more laser bolts fire out! ICONIC: Push in on heroic bad-ass Graham O'Brien, in his tux. Hard as nails.
THE DOCTOR So what --you brought the Kasaavin to Earth?
DMP: reveal the iconic building, with a huge V and "DEUTSCHLAND SIEGT AUF ALLEN FRONTEN" banner on it.
GRAHAM O'BRIEN So what are you, part alien?DANIEL BARTON You really don't understand who I am. I build things. I test them. So I let them test a tiny part of me. (Beat) And now it's time for the global rollout. I’m proof of concept.
DANIEL BARTON You really don't understand who I am. I build things. I test them. So I let them test a tiny part of me. (Beat) And now it's time for the global rollout. I’m proof of concept.
And O looks at her. So sad.
THE DOCTOR I bet it wasn't. So arrogant he didn't even change the appearance.
On Ada: OK. Deep breaths from both of them: an iconic pairing.
BARTON (CONT'D) Funny, right?(so steely; so still) Except. Not a joke. We are way past Peak Human. We've created systems that are smarter and can run more efficiently than we do.(Beat) So what's our purpose? We must be useful for something.
Except. Not a joke. We are way past Peak Human. We've created systems that are smarter and can run more efficiently than we do.(Beat)
So what's our purpose? We must be useful for something.
Close in on Barton. So still. Just watching. Satisfied.
BARTON on stage, sees the energy disappear from his arm and watch, too --and he crawls offstage, so undignified --
THE DOCTOR Two can play at embedding things in history. (Beat) I knew the Silver Lady was important, that you'd built it for a reason. But I couldn't work out why. (Beat) So I traced its movements through history. When I saw Barton now owned it, we stopped off in his office. Middle of last year. Using your Tardis.(Beat) I built in a failsafe to that machine. Planted a virus, if it ever detected the massing of a Kasaavin army in its systems. Total shutdown.
I knew the Silver Lady was important, that you'd built it for a reason. But I couldn't work out why. (Beat)
So I traced its movements through history. When I saw Barton now owned it, we stopped off in his office. Middle of last year. Using your Tardis.(Beat)
I built in a failsafe to that machine. Planted a virus, if it ever detected the massing of a Kasaavin army in its systems. Total shutdown.
THE DOCTOR (CONT'D)(in French; so quiet) Bon chance.
THE DOCTOR (so gentle) I'm ever so sorry, Ada --ADA LOVELACE But I want that knowledge --(so tearful) Don't take it away... -- And Ada slumps --the Doctor lowers her into a chair. So gentle.
ADA LOVELACE But I want that knowledge --(so tearful)
Don't take it away...
-- And Ada slumps --the Doctor lowers her into a chair. So gentle.
THE MASTER(so regretful) I had to make them pay, Doctor. For what I discovered.
― Bleeqwot (sic), Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:08 (three years ago) link
(so serious)
audible lol at this one
― DJP, Tuesday, 19 May 2020 20:13 (three years ago) link