He becomes even less the good Anderson
― strangely hookworm but they manage ream shoegaze poetry (imago), Friday, 6 March 2020 18:09 (four years ago) link
Regarding the conversation above re: canonization in film vs. music... I think film is inherently more democratic and universal because it has always been a popular art first. the cinema is a territory that a wider group of people share than any record store or venue. dozens upon dozens of sources and scenarios to see bands or hear their music: live concert, record store, friends bedroom, friends car, etc. but everyone m/l goes to the same movie theaters. there isn't as much aversion to "popular movies" as there is/was to "pop music" (and "popular movies" stretches from Star Wars to Schindler's List to They Shoot Horses, Don't They?). correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt many people ever said "I don't see popular movies" vs. "I don't listen to pop music."
So much of a musical education is actively seeking, groping in the dark, and discovering. One doesn't have to try as hard to seek out independent/arty/foreign cinema as say, a specific Wolf Eyes EP released in 2002. who would Bergman's equivalent be in the rockist canon? Lou Reed?I agree that, at least in my experience, film fans are more open, convivial, and understanding than Fugazi punks or w/e
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:00 (four years ago) link
I'll give this a go, why not
HARD BOILED (Woo)THE THIRD MAN (Reed)BEAU TRAVAIL (Denis)VERTIGO (Hitchcock)LONDON (Keiller)FUNNY GAMES (Haneke)TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA (Friedkin)TOTAL RECALL (Verhoeven)AMERICAN PSYCHO (Harron)THIS IS SPINAL TAP (Reiner)
― Neil S, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
American Psycho, ok flex on them
when Buttigieg was still in the race, I couldn't stop thinking of Patrick Bateman's "woke speech" early on in the movie & book.
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 March 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link
My recollection of House of Games was great script and character actors, let down by the lead and cinematography/production design. I wouldn't mind a remake.
― sedated, paralyzed, on respirator, slowly drowning (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
xp: Buttigieg + "Well, we have to end apartheid for one..." found its way onto my feed months ago...
― sedated, paralyzed, on respirator, slowly drowning (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link
PTA not having a Scorsese or Altman film on there is either comically brazen or comically delusional.
― clemenza, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
I thought The Master inclusion played the comic role.
― sedated, paralyzed, on respirator, slowly drowning (Sanpaku), Friday, 6 March 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
Where is that list from, anyway? it's not his S&S ballot
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
I don't want to sound like I take umbrage or anything; as I said (or tried to say) above, lists are lists, and--to quote someone who's nowhere near my own--everyone has their reasons. I was just thinking of Magnolia in relation to Altman, and Boogie Nights in relation to Scorsese (he does list I Am Cuba, so he's not playing hide-and-seek with his influences).
― clemenza, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:44 (four years ago) link
that list reads like someone asked him what his favorite movies of the moment were. there's so much from the last couple years, anyway where did it come from
― flappy bird, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:47 (four years ago) link
― clemenza, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:36 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
qft
― Alain the Botton (jed_), Saturday, 7 March 2020 01:15 (four years ago) link
Should people like their influences?
― college bong rip guy (silby), Saturday, 7 March 2020 01:22 (four years ago) link
He has more movies from 2017 than movies made before 1964
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 7 March 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link
Not from 2017 on just from 2017
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Saturday, 7 March 2020 01:57 (four years ago) link
I had look up qft--yes, quantum field theory, that's exactly what I had in mind! I would think normally a director or writer or musician would like his or her influences? I mean, it's not a rule or anything, but it doesn't seem like a far-fetched assumption. Anyway, again, it really and truly doesn't bother me at all. Just caught my attention and seemed a little odd. Maybe Altman made his 35th favorite film and Scorsese his 36th. (Loved seeing Jaws there. Maybe he'll resurrect that franchise, with Joaquin Phoenix as Sheriff Brody.)
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:22 (four years ago) link
qft = quoted for truth
the list obviously isn't comprehensive
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
(Using my own detective skills, I actually thought it meant "quit fucking talking"...)
― clemenza, Saturday, 7 March 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link
the list is just culled randomly by indiewire from interviews and comments over the years
https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/paul-thomas-anderson-favorite-films-movies/the-birdcage-1996-3/
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 March 2020 04:05 (four years ago) link
a taste of honey (richardson, 1961)chimes at midnight (welles, 1965)vagabond (varda, 1985)modern times (chaplin, 1936)a girl walks home alone at night (amirpour, 2014)2001: a space odyssey (kubrick, 1968)valerie and her week of wonders (jireš, 1970)daisies (chytilová, 1966)his girl friday (hawks, 1940)an angel at my table (campion, 1990)
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 04:25 (four years ago) link
Girl Walks etc is a powerful pick
― college bong rip guy (silby), Saturday, 7 March 2020 04:30 (four years ago) link
i saw it for the first time just a few months ago and was blown away by how much i liked it. virtually a silent film for long stretches, but just incredibly visually powerful and haunting.
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Saturday, 7 March 2020 04:36 (four years ago) link
PTA establishing himself with films that ripped off Scorsese and Altman was comically brazen
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:48 (four years ago) link
(his recent Kubrick-Hitchcock phase is far more muted)
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:49 (four years ago) link
PTA has remained horny as well
― flappy bird, Saturday, 7 March 2020 06:26 (four years ago) link
Maybe now IS the time to do this!
― coronoshebettadontvirus (Eric H.), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
yes
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Friday, 13 March 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
Yes. Yes.
― clemenza, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:30 (four years ago) link
I've been idly working on a list in anticipation.
― jmm, Friday, 13 March 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link
I'm surprised by how much love Jeanne Dielman gets here and elsewhere. I watched in on youtube last week and thought it was 3 hrs 10 minutes of housewifery with a bit of messiness at the end. Anyway, here are mine:
The Wizard of OzMurmur of the HeartClaire's KneeTaxi DriverNakedMulholland DriveThe Last Picture ShowThe White RibbonSpirit of the BeehiveThe Virgin Spring
Only seen most of those films once, so not too confident in one or two choices down at the bottom.
― gravalicious, Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:52 (four years ago) link
"3 hrs 10 minutes of housewifery with a bit of messiness at the end"
This should be on the DVD cover
― xyzzzz__, Sunday, 15 March 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link
Housewifery
― flappy bird, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 04:42 (four years ago) link
La Passion de Jeanne d'ArcThe ShiningPersonaIn the Mood for LoveCitizen KaneClose-upDays of HeavenThe Life and Death of Colonel BlimpRushmoreThe Phantom Thread
― cajunsunday, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 08:17 (four years ago) link
I like your list cajunsunday. also like many others here
― Dan S, Friday, 20 March 2020 02:57 (four years ago) link
it's hard to choose all-time favorite films. the only thing I'm sure about is that 2001 and Taxi Driver would be at the top of my list
― Dan S, Friday, 20 March 2020 03:57 (four years ago) link
“what's exciting to me about making this list is how it can be used to communicate the crucial bigness of the medium, how many movements, genres, eras it's explored in just 125 or so years” (Eric H)
“I love list-making because doing so is a mix of instinct, posturing, and calculation” (Alfred)
I like these comments
― Dan S, Friday, 20 March 2020 04:06 (four years ago) link
I have this weird hunch that 2001 will top the poll next time. Feels like a solid consensus choice for "best movie ever" -- Vertigo is undeniable of course but it feels weird at the top of such a list.
― ryan, Monday, 11 May 2020 16:01 (three years ago) link
(I say this and yet Vertigo would be on my list and not 2001...)
― ryan, Monday, 11 May 2020 16:02 (three years ago) link
I'm thinking (no order):
The Passion of Joan of ArcMVertigoThrone of Blood8 1/2The PassengerEyes Wide ShutThe Thin Red Linecan't choose one by OzuAu Hasard Balthazar or L'Argent
― ryan, Monday, 11 May 2020 16:08 (three years ago) link
Reviving because I do intend to spin this off into a ballot poll. I expect all of summer to be the nomination/campaigning period, followed by ballot collection in fall.
― Juanita was robbed (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:26 (three years ago) link
thus begins my campaign for Dirty Grandpa
― johnny crunch, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 17:48 (three years ago) link
anyone who doesn't vote for any animation is a coward or a chauvinist
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:30 (three years ago) link
I might vote for some animation if we get 100 places on our ballots
― or something, Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:47 (three years ago) link
Here's what I'm leaning toward. Either 10 or 25 ranked or unranked top-tier picks that would be weighted much more heavily, and then 40 to 75 unranked extra picks to round it to 50 or 100. I want people to make tough choices a la Sight & Sound, but I also don't want endless ties left and right.
― Juanita was robbed (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 20:50 (three years ago) link
aww was I excited to just see people's 10-item ballots
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:00 (three years ago) link
make people make hard choices darn it
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:01 (three years ago) link
How about 10 top-tier choices and then up to 90 other nowhere-near-as-many-points choices?
― Juanita was robbed (Eric H.), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:17 (three years ago) link
Either way, Duck Amuck is in my Top 10.
― A White, White Gay (cryptosicko), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:20 (three years ago) link
I mean u do what u want Eric by all means but lists of 10 movies are much more interesting than lists of 100 movies imho
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:23 (three years ago) link
a long voting period + the ballots of lurkers would probably generate some interesting aggregate results, and 10 is a lower commitment level than "up to 100" that's for sure
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Tuesday, 23 June 2020 21:24 (three years ago) link