Pretend you have a ballot for the 2022 edition of Sight & Sound's top 10 movies of all time list

i would say canon in cinema gives ppl the wrong idea of what constitutes real cinema and what constitutes a bad movie, which is v similar to how the music canon gives people the wrong idea of what constitutes real music and what constitutes bad music

I don't really want to unpack that.

Do you mean seeing, say, Rear Window or a Sturges film beside a Tarkovsky or Bresson? xpost

idk i didn't put a lot of thought into that post beyond "when i look at a letterboxd page of a trashy movie i enjoyed i mostly see unthinking one star reviews"

just tryin to stay out of the politics threads folks

Maybe the situation has gotten more like music since Marvel films, but I always quite impressed (despite all the pre- and post- Star Wars/Spielberg whatever) at how convivial the discourse was between a lot of Hollywood output and arthouse. At least in the UK.

i think the solidification of a canon in film is a bit more understandable just in terms of the amount of time people have to watch films vs the amount of time they can listen to music, and how much more music is widely available vs the availability of films. i think for some people films are more accessible now, and for others maybe less so. less access to rental stores, for one, and despite streaming options i think a lot of films just get lost in the shuffle of algorithms.

On topic:

Paul Thomas Anderson’s Favorite Films. pic.twitter.com/0NtSf9FCAG

— Films to Films (@FilmstoFilms_) March 5, 2020

Weird punctuation.

big daddy

Weird alphabetization too.

He's cheating there with those Jenkins rankings.

He was having a ball in 2017.

Confirming what I already knew from decades' worth of S&S directors' polls. Directors may know how to make movies, but they have no idea how to make lists.

I revisited House of Games recently. It's.....fine.

Making lists is an art form

That's the basic premise of this thread, yup.

He put his own movie on there?

Tsai ming-liang put Goodbye Dragon Inn on his last sight and sound ballot too

A justifiable move.

2001: A Space Odyssey
Last Year at Marienbad
8 1/2
Apocalypse Now
Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles
It’s a Wonderful Life
Blade Runner
In the Mood for Love
The Red Shoes
Andrei Rublev

What the hell is "the Kubrick Quartet"? Any block of four seems like a pretty arbitrary categorization.

Was wondering the same. Also, no Altman on PTA's list?

I didn't even notice that. What a dick!

prefers John Krasinski

I'm something like 98% sure this list of movies wasn't generated from the prompt "name your all-time favorite movies, PTA."

Warming considerably to PTA over here.

I googled the phrase and the Cleveland Institute of Art Cinematheque had a program called A Stanley Kubrick Quartet in January. Killer's Kiss, The Killing, Barry Lyndon and Full Metal Jacket.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/paul-thomas-anderson-favorite-films-movies/

Allegedly the quartet is: Dr. Strangelove, Lolita, Full Metal Jacket, The Shining.

Which, madness.

He becomes even less the good Anderson

Regarding the conversation above re: canonization in film vs. music... I think film is inherently more democratic and universal because it has always been a popular art first. the cinema is a territory that a wider group of people share than any record store or venue. dozens upon dozens of sources and scenarios to see bands or hear their music: live concert, record store, friends bedroom, friends car, etc. but everyone m/l goes to the same movie theaters. there isn't as much aversion to "popular movies" as there is/was to "pop music" (and "popular movies" stretches from Star Wars to Schindler's List to They Shoot Horses, Don't They?). correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt many people ever said "I don't see popular movies" vs. "I don't listen to pop music."

So much of a musical education is actively seeking, groping in the dark, and discovering. One doesn't have to try as hard to seek out independent/arty/foreign cinema as say, a specific Wolf Eyes EP released in 2002. who would Bergman's equivalent be in the rockist canon? Lou Reed?
I agree that, at least in my experience, film fans are more open, convivial, and understanding than Fugazi punks or w/e

I'll give this a go, why not

HARD BOILED (Woo)
THE THIRD MAN (Reed)
BEAU TRAVAIL (Denis)
VERTIGO (Hitchcock)
LONDON (Keiller)
FUNNY GAMES (Haneke)
TO LIVE AND DIE IN LA (Friedkin)
TOTAL RECALL (Verhoeven)
AMERICAN PSYCHO (Harron)
THIS IS SPINAL TAP (Reiner)

American Psycho, ok flex on them

when Buttigieg was still in the race, I couldn't stop thinking of Patrick Bateman's "woke speech" early on in the movie & book.

My recollection of House of Games was great script and character actors, let down by the lead and cinematography/production design. I wouldn't mind a remake.

xp: Buttigieg + "Well, we have to end apartheid for one..." found its way onto my feed months ago...

PTA not having a Scorsese or Altman film on there is either comically brazen or comically delusional.

I thought The Master inclusion played the comic role.

Where is that list from, anyway? it's not his S&S ballot

I don't want to sound like I take umbrage or anything; as I said (or tried to say) above, lists are lists, and--to quote someone who's nowhere near my own--everyone has their reasons. I was just thinking of Magnolia in relation to Altman, and Boogie Nights in relation to Scorsese (he does list I Am Cuba, so he's not playing hide-and-seek with his influences).

that list reads like someone asked him what his favorite movies of the moment were. there's so much from the last couple years, anyway where did it come from

PTA not having a Scorsese or Altman film on there is either comically brazen or comically delusional.

― clemenza, Friday, 6 March 2020 23:36 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

qft

Should people like their influences?

He has more movies from 2017 than movies made before 1964

Not from 2017 on just from 2017

I had look up qft--yes, quantum field theory, that's exactly what I had in mind! I would think normally a director or writer or musician would like his or her influences? I mean, it's not a rule or anything, but it doesn't seem like a far-fetched assumption. Anyway, again, it really and truly doesn't bother me at all. Just caught my attention and seemed a little odd. Maybe Altman made his 35th favorite film and Scorsese his 36th. (Loved seeing Jaws there. Maybe he'll resurrect that franchise, with Joaquin Phoenix as Sheriff Brody.)

qft = quoted for truth

the list obviously isn't comprehensive

(Using my own detective skills, I actually thought it meant "quit fucking talking"...)

the list is just culled randomly by indiewire from interviews and comments over the years

https://www.indiewire.com/gallery/paul-thomas-anderson-favorite-films-movies/the-birdcage-1996-3/

a taste of honey (richardson, 1961)
chimes at midnight (welles, 1965)
vagabond (varda, 1985)
modern times (chaplin, 1936)
a girl walks home alone at night (amirpour, 2014)
2001: a space odyssey (kubrick, 1968)
valerie and her week of wonders (jireš, 1970)
daisies (chytilová, 1966)
his girl friday (hawks, 1940)
an angel at my table (campion, 1990)

Girl Walks etc is a powerful pick