END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

The collective meltdown of centrist journalists over a tepid Bernie tweet about the "Democratic establishment" is some real gross shit.

guys I don't know what kind of sap/naif I am or whether this morning I'm just completely exhausted with my own personal crises not to mention the greater hellstorm

or even if this is mostly affecting as a eulogy for hopes past but

When it comes to creating a nation that works for all of us, not just the 1%, we are all in this together.

Video by @rockyowens, @nowandben and @liarosemusic. pic.twitter.com/N5bmxpgzP6

— Bernie Sanders (@BernieSanders) February 22, 2020

I saw this and and got legit choked up

The collective meltdown of centrist journalists over a tepid Bernie tweet about the "Democratic establishment" is some real gross shit.

― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles),

As is the dumb posturing by Bernie guys on my FB wall when this tweet emerged. I'm not sure Sanders buys this shtick but he may yet get away with it, as many presidential candidates and presidents have done.

xp and fuck I realize that I really do WANT TO BELIEVE but it's so historically, almost invariably disappointing

and like I just need the smallest permission right now, the littlest bit of oxygen even for my own mental health, to get there with belief and stay there for a little while

https://hackernoon.com/hn-images/1*T8tGc8RTgUbbr8VB2ClNag.jpeg

Alfred, we've known the bros were Bernie or die from the beginning, but seeing the Josh Marshalls of the world coalesce around a Never Bernie position because he said the same thing about the party that he's said a million times before is something different.

time to put josh marshall on the list

slot him in for right after Chris Matthews

I haven't visited TPM in months. Is Marshall melting down?

Never mind -- I read the tweet lol

Basically every middle of the road commentator is taking to twitter to express in very serious terms how bad it is for Bernie to criticize the Democratic establishment, and how he won't be able to beat Trump now.

xps -- I have my moments of doubt for sure where I fear either that (1) Bernie will get the nom, lose to Trump, and it will set back any kind of left agenda another few decades (2) Bernie will win but be ineffective and unpopular, setting back any kind of left agenda for another few decades. However, reality has kind of forced my hand by providing NO REALISTIC ALTERNATIVE (i.e. no candidate better situated to win) so my cowardly ass is just going to have to stand up.

to a comment about Tom Perez

If he attacks our leader, he attacks us.

— PolitiTrek2 (@polititrek2) February 22, 2020

DEFEND TOM PEREZ AT ALL COSTS

Any candidate could lose to Trump or be ineffective.

xxp

SANDERS 2020: Your Cowardly Ass Is Just Going To Have To Stand Up

The perfect conditions for a progressive candidate will never happen in this godforsaken system, gotta shoot your shot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQY6IYVAfw8

The current head of the Democratic Party is the Speaker of the House, compared to whom the Chairman of the DNC is just a bag man and an errand boy.

I’m less worried about the opportunity for a left/progressive policy agenda to succeed than I am about improving on this dire state of affairs

http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2020/02/the-neo-patrimonial-national-security-state-part-ii

It strikes me as pretty pointless to worry about the success of a progressive Sanders agenda vs, say, a Biden center-right agenda given the current Republican approach to politics. It seems like no matter which Democrat might win, the response from the Republicans is going to be the same: deny the Democrats any political victories whatsoever, no matter what damage it does to the American people. It's a proven tactic for getting Republicans re-elected, so why would they let up just because Biden is in the White House? Only their talking points would change with Sanders; their actions would be identical.

My worry isn't failure or success of the agenda itself but whatever left/progressive movement there is fading away because of disappointment (in Sanders or overall). Probably trolling myself because of seeing energy dissipate post WTO protest failure/Iraq protest failure/etc..

The biggest difference between WTO & Iraq and a Sanders (or Warren) administration was that in those earlier cases the protestors had no power center from which to operate apart from the street. I should also note that the progressive influence in the 2016 and 2018 elections was largely built upon the organizing that was done by the Occupy Wall Street and Black Lives Matter movements. The US left has learned some serious lessons post-Iraq and has been applying them.

fuuuuck these clowns. My contributions just got $10 higher.

f. hazel otmfm

It strikes me as pretty pointless to worry about the success of a progressive Sanders agenda vs, say, a Biden center-right agenda given the current Republican approach to politics. It seems like no matter which Democrat might win, the response from the Republicans is going to be the same: deny the Democrats any political victories whatsoever, no matter what damage it does to the American people. It's a proven tactic for getting Republicans re-elected, so why would they let up just because Biden is in the White House? Only their talking points would change with Sanders; their actions would be identical.

Which would 100% guarantee that Biden would have no chance of achieving any policies whatsoever, whereas Sanders, having a clear goal, could continue fighting for that goal, requiring everyone to take clear sides upon it and keeping it alive as a mid-term election issue that the public could reaffirm or repudiate. Which is a political risk, but nothing worth achieving is without risk.

The unanswered question about the voting public is how risk-averse they are. The most risk-averse alternative is Biden, because all he stands for is removing Trump, whose trade wars, inflammatory rhetoric and wildly unpredictable decision making has proved very risky, and replacing him with a mild cipher who apparently wants to accomplish nothing at all.

The riskiest choice is Sanders, mainly because he has identified several very large goals and seems hell bent on making the election be about them, with removing Trump as an incidental goal. Warren is only slightly less risky, if only because she is slightly less insistent on a single, clear message, but her stated policy goals are roughly as radical as those of Sanders.

ah yes, the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing.

I think people itt vastly underestimate the number of people out there who genuinely believe that sanders is going to achieve what he’s promising because they don’t follow the political process as closely as the average ilxor.

Why not believe in it

Oh no my beliefs are false the belief police are going to take me to belief jail

— John (@ErrorTheorist) February 22, 2020

Today's winner:

sorry pic.twitter.com/LsWjyTGtRi

— severian ❄ (@poaststructural) February 21, 2020

JUST IN: 6 in 10 Nevada caucus-goers report in exit polls that they support eliminating private insurance & creating a single-payer system, per WaPo gurus @sfcpoll & @EmGusk. Same result in both NH and Iowa

Health care *the* top issue in all 3 stateshttps://t.co/HbbJyByU3m

— Jeffrey S. Stein (@JStein_WaPo) February 22, 2020

Why not believe in it

*pretty much no chance

the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing.

Based on your statement, I'd place you in the risk-averse category.

but, if you're counting on Biden, Buttigeig or Klobuchar to accumulate piles of accomplishments that will impress voters during their first half-term, I think you'll discover they won't. Based on their campaigns, they won't even try, because as Homer famously told Bart, trying is just the first step toward failure.

But they’re not promising anything, so it’s fine. The winning strategy of 2000, 2004 and 2016 lives on.

Now the 12th time this exact argument happened itt

iatee's just playin the hits

we're all v mad bc the gov sucks and we want it to suck less in different ways but in the end only one person can be right and that person is me

/the mid-terms, that’s where we’re gonna shine after 2 years of accomplishing nothing./

Based on your statement, I'd place you in the risk-averse category.

but, if you're counting on Biden, Buttigeig or Klobuchar to accumulate piles of accomplishments that will impress voters during their first half-term, I think you'll discover they won't. Based on their campaigns, they won't even try, because as Homer famously told Bart, trying is just the first step toward failure.

ready for that biden/bloomberg slashfic

it’s okay I’ll leave you guys in peace, this can go back to being a tailored collection of Dennis Perrin tweets

you're thinking of the other 6 threads, this is the berners thread where we say bernie sanders in different ways

like this:

bernie sanders

( i said that w a tx accent)

sarnie benders

it’s okay I’ll leave you guys in peace

whatever point you were trying to make was completely unclear to me anyway

iatee is a bernie skeptic which is fine but also not the point of the berners thread

berNE VADArs

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZvRNOjWcAADJiE.jpg

From new @DataProgress NV Dem Caucus Poll

ALL voters under 45:

Sanders 73%
Warren 9%
Buttigieg 7%
Steyer 5%
Gabbard 3%
Biden 2%
Klobuchar 1%

See thread below for more from this poll

Source: https://t.co/5pkO6Y0xLT

— Eldon Katz 🌹 (@eldon_katz) February 22, 2020