should i give the grateful dead a chance?

a broken angel sings from a guitar. in the end there's just a song

Even as a Dead fan I can agree they seem like one of the least desirable bands to actually hang out with.

all of the SF 60s psych bands seem like horrible ppl tbh. Even Fogerty and Sly seemed like, um, difficult people to say the least.

i think LSD can breed megalomania and solipsism as opposed to a sense of being 'all one' with the universe or whatever

Plus Garcia was a junkie for years.

yeah addiction can turn even a basically ethical person into a terrible terrible prick

I'm just going to lol a little bit at all the insightful observations of how terrible the Dead were as people in this thread while the same people have a chuckle on the Bobby Gillespie thread about him wearing literal Nazi symbols. NB I like the Dead and Primal Scream (actually similar groups/fanbases in some ways).

one of the perks of being an American is not giving a shit about Primal Scream

PBKR is referring to me. Never seen our wee Boaby sporting a death’s head before and i am disappointed. Love Primal Scream but have never particularly considered Boaby as a person I would like to hang out with.

Also i am an American and a Jew, not particularly convinced Boaby is a Nazi as much as a young idiot.

Sorry to call you out Shakes, just being a little playful. Mostly just amused how we all have our own predispositions so that we will cut people we like a LOT of slack while those we have hangups about we hold their feet to the fire. I’m as guilty as anyone.

one of the perks of being an American is not giving a shit about Primal Scream

Heh, that's funny, because I had just watched that "Songs from the Big Chair" Classic Albums doc, and after looking to see which ones I hadn't seen yet, started "Screamadelica." But about 20 minutes in I turned it off because I didn't give a shit.

Was going to say it's also funny that one of the perks of not being an American is not giving a shit about the Grateful Dead but what's funnier is the assumption that non-Americans give a shit about Primal Scream.

wait boaby is a YOUNG idiot, in that case so am i, finally this thread delivers

primal scream: bad live, suck unless heavily remixes
grateful dead: neither of those things

lmao at the idea that americans especially care about primal scream. no they don’t

remixed*

lmao at the idea that americans especially care about primal scream. no they don’t

No-one said they did?

Also i am an American and a Jew, not particularly convinced Boaby is a Nazi as much as a young idiot.

The interview is from around the time of "Loaded", so he'd be 27 going on 28.

... admittedly that is 14 in Boaby years.

No-one said they did?

― Load up your rubber wallets (Tom D.), Saturday, February 22, 2020 6:09 AM (ten minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

oh lol i'm very sleepy, i didn't realize your implication was that no one cares about primal scream

Hugely enjoying all the recent testimonials here, different visions, POVs, incl. of those who enjoy other peoples' perspectives, but can't bear the actual soundz of inspiration. Leave us not forget Jerry in other contexts---not nec. bluegrass or set-down folkie sets, but also the soulful grooves:
I like Keith and Donna in several of those live Jerry Garcia Band sets, long rippling versions of "Don't Let Go" and so on; JGB and Legion of Mary shows can be pretty refreshing.

― dow, Friday, April 15, 2016 2:50 PM (three years ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah been digging into some 76-78 JGB stuff and Garcia definitely sounds inspired/engaged/lively compared to some of the Dead stuff from that era. and donna and keith actually contribute in a good way!

― tylerw, Friday, April 15, 2016 3:16 PM (three years ago)
Much more of that here:
Grateful Dead live, Dick's Picks etc - S&D
and here:
Jerry Garcia Solo/JGB/Grisman/etc. - S/D

For anyone on the bus or Dead-curious: this The Other One is superb, and the ending-> is something else. March 20 1977

https://archive.org/details/gd1977-03-20.145511.mtx.motb0226.flac16/gd1977-03-20.mtx.motb.0226.d2t05.flac

Thrilled to announce that I’ll be performing the National Anthem for Sunday’s FOX @NASCAR iRACING race on @FOXTV, @FS1 and the FOX Sports App at 1:00 PM ET from the comforts of home. Tune in! pic.twitter.com/p3986M4YhY

— Bob Weir (@BobWeir) March 27, 2020

the row jimmy from this show is probably my favorite xp

Heres Bob Weir singin the national anthem for the Esports nascar race lmao pic.twitter.com/ndYnBzO26y

— Kent (Bene Gesserit) (@kentdunne) March 29, 2020

not as bad as i would have thought but the digital element is extremely bizarre. didn't know they were literally airing a simulation lmao

do we have Rolling Most 2020 Video thread

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYVMyClU0AA_a1c.jpg

This is wild: https://anthology.vinylmeplease.com/collections/anthology/products/vmp-anthology-grateful-dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qaQ8r-SwR2c

no 30-year old has looked older than 1972 Jerry Garcia

i took this as a challenge. my thought here is that you gotta go with the former child stars. macaulay culkin. danny bonaduce.

I maintain that 1940s and 1950s movie actors are the all-time champions of looking 50 at 30.

I think Garcia definitely looks early 40s in that clip. Ten years later at age 40 and I dunno, 55? 60?

https://assets.bigcartel.com/product_images/193427782/Jerry_Garcia1_1982.jpg?auto=format&fit=max&w=780

Bonaduce at age 30. I would guess late 40s.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88ro5jLUrOA

Culkin at age 30, otoh, still looking young for his age.

https://www.wmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/07/24/5b572658c51225203f2ba132_GettyImages-83386408.jpg?fit=3534%2C3000

no 30-year old has looked older than 1972 Jerry Garcia

Howard Kaylan looked older when he was 21.

https://townsquare.media/site/295/files/2015/05/The-Turtles.jpg

i guess there's, like, different sorts of aging, and a lot of it is very related to gendered presentation

beards make people look older. particularly long, graying beards. paradoxically they can also cover up a lot of the signs of visible aging in the skin - bonaduce's aging is from living a hard life. one can also see premature aging in a lot of people who do sex work, i've noticed.

my go-to for premature aging is someone like mark e. smith. he also had the classic british poor dental hygiene symptoms of premature aging, but by the time he was 60 he looked about 150 years old. he was also dying and had not been taking care of himself for decades at that point, though. i don't remember what he looked like in '87. i tried looking it up and there was this truly awful clickbait video and i had to give up.

howard kaylan looking old in his 20s seems more of a style thing than anything else

Style and the grey hair, which I'm so pleased he never tried to hide.

I've seen lots of 60 year old men who look as bad as MES!

Richard Manuel at 33 in the Last Waltz gives Jerry a run for his money

can we go back to the box set that revived this? all that shitty colored vinyl, jeez.

Why is Workingman's purple?

because P S Y C H E D E L I C B A N D S O F Y O R E O N C O L O R E D V I N Y L

also, "shut up and give us money"

Really crisp mix. Chicago June 76. Lesh bass tone is deep af

https://media.npr.org/assets/img/2018/03/16/gd-gettyimages-453967204_wide-5c1bd95d5c06385ec379f0c082b10647232cd317-s700-c85.jpg

Damn “mission in the rain,” cool sh1t

https://liveforlivemusic.com/news/grateful-dead-355-hour-playlist/

355-Hour Spotify Playlist Puts Every Official Grateful Dead Live Release In Chronological Order

(up to 362 hrs now, playlist link in story)

No Drums & Space flavor?

https://www.stereogum.com/2088441/grateful-dead-deodorant-announced/news/

have any of yall listened to the 50th Anniversary Editions of Working Man's Dead, American Beauty? What did you think?

The 50th thing just adds a live show from what I’ve heard. Or were the tracks remastered ?

Ya told me goodbye....how was I to know...you didn’t mean goodbye