Taking Sides: Liverpool vs Everton

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I don't like Bolton, me.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:08 (nineteen years ago) link

i dont like middlesboro.

im glad they are out of it now

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:10 (nineteen years ago) link

liverpool are to play bolton next. with a few of their players out

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 12:12 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing against the two Merseyside clubs, but I have immense admiration for what Sam has achieved at Bolton on bugger all money. Am I misremembering, or did a commentator say that their entire first team the other day cost something absurd like 2.3m in transfer fees?

Martin Skidmore (Martin Skidmore), Monday, 21 March 2005 13:44 (nineteen years ago) link

Nothing against the two Merseyside clubs, but I have immense admiration for what Sam has achieved at Bolton on bugger all money.

Before the Rooney sale that was the Everton situation too, of course (forcing Moyes to make careful, incremental, one-in-one-out improvements to the squad; alas, the first big money splash he was allowed in nearly three years has so far produced a couple of dodgy goals and a headbutt). The Liverpool coffers, on the other hand, seem to be bottomless.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 13:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Presumably Bolton pay those Real Madrid rejects quite a lot, and they were blethering on about signing Rivaldo at one point.

Was it their mascot that got sent off the other day?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:03 (nineteen years ago) link

I did some digging around to find this data (not necessarily accurate due to the number of transfer values that are 'undisclosed') but the cost of current squads in the top six is approx:

Chelsea: £218m
Man U: £139m
Arsenal: £73m
Everton: £28m
Liverpool: £75m
Bolton: £3m

So, hats off to Sam for making full use of Bosmans.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:28 (nineteen years ago) link

Any idea where the chasing pack fit into that, Mike? I suspect Spurs and Newcastle dwarf Middlesbrough and Charlton in terms of spending. Although I don't for one minute imagine Boro got Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink on Mark Viduka on the cheap.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

They should rename them Blob-Sams in his honour.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:35 (nineteen years ago) link

the first big money splash he was allowed in nearly three years has so far produced a couple of dodgy goals and a headbutt

But Duncan Ferguson's been there much longer than Moyes?

Markelby (Mark C), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:41 (nineteen years ago) link

I make Newcastle's squad £48m and Tottenham's £50m. I didn't know Spurs had a defender called Defendi!

Boro and Charlton to come (I really shouldn't be doing this...it's White Noise delivery day).

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:48 (nineteen years ago) link

Boro £28m, Charlton £27m. Hasselbaink was FREE, Viduka was £4.5m.

Markelby: ho ho.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 14:57 (nineteen years ago) link

Please work out the wage bills. I think this is where 'Big Sam' comes unstuck.

White Noise looks very scary. I bet it is a voiceover nightmare. I am doing Jamaican patois.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:15 (nineteen years ago) link

have you heard the White Noise lp, Mike? from...68? well, actually, there are 2, but i haven't heard the other one

charlton lido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Big Sam survives by only signing 1-year contracts, so they can afford the wages in the Premiership, and if relegated, they're OK as the players are mostly let go anyway.

Dave B (daveb), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:47 (nineteen years ago) link

Charlton £27m

Blimey! That surprises me, I must admit.

Matt DC (Matt DC), Monday, 21 March 2005 15:52 (nineteen years ago) link

Euell, Johansson and Young account for £12m of that, Matt.

Charlton have 16 players in their squad who cost them something, but Boro only have five - all pricey sods, though. Ehiogu was £8m!

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:40 (nineteen years ago) link

I have a copy of that White Noise LP, Gareth (though not the other one). The one on Island, I mean. It's Delia Derbyshire and someone, isn't it? I remember buying it years ago (early 80s) because I had got so used to seeing the cover on the old Island inner sleeves that I'd convinced myself I wanted it. It's OK-to-not-very-good, I think. I like "Firebird".

Tim (Tim), Monday, 21 March 2005 17:50 (nineteen years ago) link

yea, firebird is the only track i like on it also.

charltonlido (gareth), Monday, 21 March 2005 19:01 (nineteen years ago) link

I think I should hear this White Noise stuff

Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

(Isn't that Gaardsoe rather than Gera?)

Inevitable post-Gravesen slump continues. Now starting to worry about Boro & Charlton. 8th seems likely. Liverpool hauling us in like in '64, '75, '78, '86, '03... Would quite like the Bianconeri to kick LFC to pieces on Tuesday.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:23 (nineteen years ago) link

Does this signal a Baggies revival?

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 09:58 (nineteen years ago) link

I'd love WBA to stay up; for the sake of departmental harmony I suppose I should be cheering on Southampton too. Palace I have no affection for despite living within walking distance of Selhurst. Norwich are gone. I'd like to see one or two of Pompey, Blackburn & Fulham drop.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:04 (nineteen years ago) link

I thought they looked pretty good - especially Kieran Richardson. I enjoyed Moyles' lame post-match penalty appeal for holding hands in the box.

Is anyone else planning on watching LFC v Juve in London Town on Tuesday evening?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I might be up for this, Jerry. I appear to have been pressganged into a client-schmoozing session at some godawful bar in Hammersmith, but I might be able to escape at 7-ish for footie-watching. (It's on ITV, isn't it?)

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:20 (nineteen years ago) link

I would like Blackburn to go down, and Portsmouth, and Palace and B'ham City and most of the others as well.

Out of the local teams, I think I like Wycombe best. For no reason, obv.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I really want Liverpool to beat Juventus, and I've hated Liverpool all my life.

I would have liked Palace to stay up, but I can't see it now. Blackburn are probably going to grind their way to safety with 0-0 draws till the end of the season. WBA are on a roll and might just make it, which probably means one of the Hampshire teams. Earlier in the season I would definitely have preferred Portsmouth, but post-Harry I don't really care if they go down.

The Horse of Babylon (the pirate king), Monday, 4 April 2005 10:51 (nineteen years ago) link

There have been several instances of Moyes "losing it" in recent weeks - he's becoming as delusional as Houllier at his worst. First the Beattie butt, then the Anfield injury-time (he had a point, but...), now this... All the while talking us up and saying what a great season we've had after 1-0 home defeats by Charlton and Blackburn.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 11:30 (nineteen years ago) link

dream relegations:

palace
Portsmouth (becoming more and more of a delicious possibility)
Fulham

hmmm, hopefully two of those will happen, but Norwich have obviously scuppered me getting all three

ceebee, Monday, 4 April 2005 13:19 (nineteen years ago) link

> some godawful bar in Hammersmith

can you narrow this down? i might pop along and schmooze.

koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:26 (nineteen years ago) link

my guess: Bar 38

Sven Basted (blueski), Monday, 4 April 2005 14:33 (nineteen years ago) link

I know the answer, but I'm not telling in case it's a secret.

But yes.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:24 (nineteen years ago) link

It's not really an open event, Koogy. In fact, it's now sounding very official, very ungetoutableof and very forgetleavingatseven. My open distaste for this kind of thing has probably put the kibosh on any senior managerial aspirations I may have had. Everyone else is like, "Free drinks! How can you not love that?!"

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:28 (nineteen years ago) link

> It's not really an open event

then i might pop along and pull faces through the window...

football will almost certainly be on the projector in The Salutation about 5 minutes down King Street if you do manage to escape. and if history is anything to go by i will be (held captive) there for the first half. (brummy houseguest, food etc)

koogs (koogs), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

You will probably enjoy it, Mike. I found I had a natural flair for it when I had to sit next to the head of Baby Einstein and the head of some crane company, sorry, platform company. And I'm much more of a miserable cunt than you are.

Plus the entire Girls' Dept will get tiddly!

I would vote for you to be senior management as long as you still get your tea round in.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 4 April 2005 15:37 (nineteen years ago) link

See the comments by Phil Neal in the Observer Sport Monthly in their retrospective on Heysel?

"Phil Neal
Then: Liverpool captain, 34
Now: Merseyside Radio commentator

PN: I'd rather forget that night. It was an ordeal. But,
Jamie, why should I help you out? I'm helping you pay your
mortgage [by talking to you about Heysel]. When people ask me
for my view, they usually have to pay for it. You're asking
for my help for nothing. To pay your mortgage, Jamie. I mean,
what do you want from me?

OSM: I just thought that as the captain of Liverpool football
club on that night at Heysel it would be good to hear your
view?

PN: Yes but what do you want from me? If I talk to you for a
few minutes, then I'm helping you pay your mortgage and what
am I getting in return? Do you know what I mean?

OSM: Well, I have been to Italy and talked with some of the
families of the victims and they say that the trophy should
be given back by Juventus to commemorate what happened.

PN: About Juventus? Why are you asking me? Why are you asking
someone on the Liverpool side? Juventus made amends very
soon. Ask them ... Jamie I'm helping you pay your mortgage.
People who want my views pay.

OSM: I'm sorry, but everyone else I have spoken to has ...

PN: Great. So you've spoken to people, you've got your views.
You've got your Liverpool view, but if you want mine for free, well people pay for them.

Dave B (daveb), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:31 (nineteen years ago) link

I read that on sunday, the man is crazy.

Ed (dali), Tuesday, 5 April 2005 06:41 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.popartuk.com/g/l/lgsp0218.jpg

MAGNIFICENT!

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I can't see the picture, Jerry, but I can only infer from your comment that it's Grobbelaar putting through his own goal in the 1984 Charity Shield.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:34 (nineteen years ago) link

http://www.rat.de/kuijsten/ar/2002/sgrapes.jpg

Can you see this one, Michael?

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 08:45 (nineteen years ago) link

Mmm, tasty! It's practically all I eat these days.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Wednesday, 6 April 2005 09:05 (nineteen years ago) link

Can i coin the term Vaughnaldo or is it too late already?

A / F#m / Bm / D (Lynskey), Sunday, 10 April 2005 18:00 (nineteen years ago) link

I enjoyed the highlights of Everton's game last night.

I did not know our friend with the dreadlocks had played for Atletico Madrid.

I did not know our friend without the dreadlocks was a product of FC Barcelona.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:52 (nineteen years ago) link

And now Gerrard is out of the Juventus game. :/

PESSIMISM OF THE INTELLECT, POPTIMISM OF THE WILL.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Monday, 11 April 2005 12:57 (nineteen years ago) link

But this is how Jellybean likes it - backs to the wall, superhuman effort required, etc. It's the run-of-the-mill Saturday 3pm'ers vs mediocrity that he/they can't hack.

The notion that Vaughan is the new Rooney is laughable but he may be the new...Owen. Much more keen on Arteta being Gravesen without the menaces. Stubbs possibly out for the season - so it's the earthy Weir and the mercurial Yobo in a Venusian central defence. It's so crazy it could work. Four points is nothing, mind.

Michael Jones (MichaelJ), Monday, 11 April 2005 20:27 (nineteen years ago) link

Does anyone fancy watching LFC v Juve in town tomorrow night? Possibly upstairs at the Sun on Long Acre? http://www.fancyapint.com/main_site/thepubs/pub677.htm

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:06 (nineteen years ago) link

(I think Rafa has misplaced my mobile number, btw, and has had to gamble on taking Cissé with him.)

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:07 (nineteen years ago) link

I'm afraid I shall be on dandling duty.

Having watched Comedy Connections last night, I'm worried Ronnie Corbett might come up on the dumb waiter in The Sun.

Besides, you only want to go there so you can kick that Chelsea bloke's head in.

The person who should really go is CABBAGE.

PJ Miller (PJ Miller), Tuesday, 12 April 2005 13:11 (nineteen years ago) link


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