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― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link
middle class ^^
― sarahell, Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
Pretentious is a loaded, abused term and I regret using it, yeah. Maybe edge lord vs. non edge lord is appropriate here. A kid wearing a Brian Eno shirt would be cute and I wouldn’t hate the parents for it. Seriously not a class thing from my perspective.
― circa1916, Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link
The connection between these things and socioeconomic class usually seems tenuous to me, although I am interested when someone is providing actual social science research (something I don't recall much of in Fussell but it was admittedly a while ago and I didn't make it the whole way through).
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link
I try to not wear a band shirt for the band I am seeing. It feels strange.
There are exceptions: Wearing a classic shirt to see a band is fun. I saw the Supersuckers a couple years ago and wore a shirt I picked up at the Sub-Pop offices when visiting Seattle back in the early '90s. Wearing an authentic Kill 'Em All For One tour shirt to see Metallica would be very cool, if a bit smug.
Also, there was the Motorhead exception (which is mentioned above) that has become the Slayer exception (not sure who will take the mantle now that they are done).
― Loud guitars shit all over "Bette Davis Eyes" (NYCNative), Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:46 (four years ago) link
Fussell was definitely not data-driven social science, definitely on the observational and descriptive side. ... Probably in the current age of big data and more purchases being made by credit card and online, it would be theoretically easier to research using more scientific methods
― sarahell, Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:48 (four years ago) link
You can just sit around at Disneyland, and see all these various T-shirts being worn within the actual same families.
― You have seen the heavy groups (morrisp), Sunday, 16 February 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link
I guess you’ll have to take my word that the only difference I would infer about parents dressing those kids in those two shirts is that one likes the idea of advertising that they‘re into the Swans.
― brimstead, Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link
“likes the idea of advertising that they’re” jesus I’m done
― brimstead, Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link
When someone wears a band T-shirt, are they not advertising that they are into the band?
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:39 (four years ago) link
Some just buy them for cosmetic purposes
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
I love when you say "love your shirt, <band> rocks" and they look confused, not realizing what they're wearing
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
Oh yeah, that happened when I asked a 13yo about her Foreigner shirt. She did know they were a band tbf.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:48 (four years ago) link
Was she a foreigner though?
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:49 (four years ago) link
Her family lives in the boonies but they drive a fancy-looking car. Not sure about their level of earnestness or insecurity. xp no
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:50 (four years ago) link
I've known people who told me they buy band shirts regardless of fandom.
Baffling to me as i have strict rules about whose shirts i will wear
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:51 (four years ago) link
I asked a kid at school recently about her Iron Maiden shirt. Her whole being shrieked 'please don't ask me, I don't know!' at me, so I left it.
They're selling Maiden shirts in Primark, man.
― Ngolo Cantwell (Chinaski), Sunday, 16 February 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link
Did she say she was just a teenage dirtbag baby?
― Mark G, Sunday, 16 February 2020 21:32 (four years ago) link
Lol
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Sunday, 16 February 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link
That's funny, I feel like I've definitely seen multiple Maiden shirts lately
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Sunday, 16 February 2020 22:29 (four years ago) link