If Bloomberg ends up winning the Democratic nomination against Trump, then it is because the voting public in the USA gave that outcome their seal of approval. No matter how awful we may find that, if it happens the preponderance of the nation's adult population made it happen, not just the DNC or RNC or some nefarious cabal. It would be a fairly accurate reflection on where we are politically rn.
And the only viable response would be to swim against that current, continue to work for what you believe in, and organize around making it happen. Because ideas die when people abandon them.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
Citation needed. His record as mayor indicates that he doesn't have any qualms with violating civil rights and liberties.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:10 PM (one minute ago)
Yeah, I think you are mistaking him for someone way less scary, like Howard Dean.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg is not building a stupid fucking wall
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
neither is Trump
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
yes, but only one ballot. he's not worth committing fraud for
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
anyone who is not in a group that is in danger of deportation, disenfranchisement or worse I kinda don't want to hear your bullshit about this, there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop, that harm real people in your communities
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:00 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
you're right, and i'm being an edgelord imagining he would be identical when it comes to immigration and travel bans. but the thought of the next decade or more following a bloomberg win is enough to make me give up on anything ever getting better than it was before 2016 on a national level. and given his cozy reception from the establishment and the media, i'm worried he could be 80% as bad as trump and get none of the scrutiny. he's branding himself as the heroic anti-trump and he'll be lauded for whatever he does.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
none of this would really be so bad if we weren't stuck in a strict unkillable 2-party system but here we are
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
Congressional Dems would not roll over for a Dem Prez who tries to pull awful shit like the Rs have for Trump
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
enhhhhhhhhh
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
I mean they did oust Franken pretty quickly
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
gillibrand led that, and she was not rewarded for it
― j., Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
Joe Manchin would definitely obstruct Bloomberg's plan to sell poor people as fertilizer.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:33 PM (four minutes ago)
I actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
ums - that’s been my thinking about most of the shitty moderate candidates, and in a vacuum, if it was suddenly November and Bloomberg was the candidate, then I guess I could vote for him, certainly if I were in a competitive state. But in the context of this primary, where the reality of Bloomberg becoming the nominee almost certainly has to involve the party intervening and making deals to stop a grassroots movement for a progressive candidate, one who would be far better for endangered communities, well, that’s a tougher vote to cast. Acquiescing to Bloomberg buying the nomination would be the Democratic Party abandoning any principles that it has tried to claim and spitting on its base, and that’s not something I’d want to reward. Maybe I’d hold my nose and vote, but I don’t think I’d have the fortitude to do anything to try to get Bloomberg elected.
Anyway I’m maintaining my perhaps overly optimistic belief that his support will drop when he starts being visible beyond ads and appears in debates, and the party isn’t quite dumb enough to give him the nomination.
― JoeStork, Friday, 14 February 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?
are you or members of your community in danger of deportation? if so, I apologise. if not, tough titty
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
I realize it's just theoretical for me, but if were faced with that decision, there wouldn't be a decision. Unless I lived in New York or Mississippi or some state where the outcome were 100% guaranteed, I'd get out and vote for Bloomberg. (And maybe even if I did live in one of those states.) I can't even begin to imagine what new horrors Trump will move on to if he's validated by reelection. He's just qualitatively different than anybody he'll be facing in November.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 February 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
"if I were faced"
As usual, ums otm and bringing the real to fronting fools like me. Gotta keep the focus on those with the most skin in the game.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg, noted defender of minority rights
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link
don't front like Trump's immigration and deportation policies aren't extreme
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:32 (four years ago) link
oh look this argument again, hurray!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link
and on a fourth thread!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
I mean Bloomberg sucks! if he gets the nomination we're fucked, I honestly think Trump would love to kick the shit out of himbut there's no way Bloomberg would be negotiating with Laos to deport 10K Hmong people who have lived here for 20 years and pretending otherwise is sillyso if I can't hold my nose and fill in an oval with a number two pencil what the fuck good are my progressive values?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:35 (four years ago) link
In the hypothetical where yer presented w this choice and yr reaction isn't to angrily demand a third option I think you're sort of insane sorry
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
what good would that do?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.)
how would we angrily demand a third option?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link
If Bernie ran as a third party in this hypothetical, I probably would vote for him, but in a Trump v. Bloomberg scenario, ums is right: get over ourselves.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:41 (four years ago) link
o ye of little imagination, you've got actual left-wing reps you can contact now y'know
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:43 (four years ago) link
a third party run by a Dem/indie in 2020 would put Trump in the White House. Do some of you understand American politics?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
and some of us have been on weekly (after a period of daily) phone calls to our congressional offices since January 2017, thank you
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link
In this scenario neither party would deserve yr vote ever again IMHO, gotta start from something
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:46 (four years ago) link
in the remote chance as of February 2020 that Bloomberg becomes the nominee,w hen would be the time to angrily demand a third option?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link
If electing a democratic socialist gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her. If electing a moderate Democrat gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her. If electing an oligarch and egomaniac with untold billions gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her.
I can vote for him or her AND do what you suggest.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:50 (four years ago) link
I'm personally about 99.9% sure a Mini Mike run would mean four more years of Trump anyway
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link
but, yeah, I know, these threads are meant for performative angst.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:51 (four years ago) link
If Bernie is the third party nominee against Bloomberg and Trump, will you vote for him in November?
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:53 (four years ago) link
Sorry for all the angst, I think it's the gaping wound where my wisdom tooth used to be.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:56 (four years ago) link
Folks, if you have babby, insist on getting those fuckers yanked out as early as possible.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
https://tenor.com/view/all-about-eve-award-heart-gif-4655126
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:58 (four years ago) link
I think that is a fair argument to make, I just wonder how many people at his rallies also agree with that
― iatee, Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:12 PM (five hours ago) bookmarkflaglink
and judicial nominations, probably the most important factor after foreign policy when I decide whether to vote for a presidential candidate. also, my vote doesn’t really count thanks to the electoral college, which is why like morbs I’ll only be pulling the lever for bernie, out of the remaining candidates who have a chance
― k3vin k., Friday, 14 February 2020 02:00 (four years ago) link
mike bloomberg wanted to put fingerprints on every social security card to keep people who are "illegal" from getting jobs so they wouldn't cross the border pic.twitter.com/2B034g05aa— Matt Binder (@MattBinder) February 14, 2020
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Friday, 14 February 2020 02:28 (four years ago) link
On the plus side, he seems...extremely beatable to me
Bruh 😂😂😂 pic.twitter.com/qT5q3kIonQ— Secular Talk (@KyleKulinski) February 14, 2020
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 02:42 (four years ago) link
I would put it this way: he’s better than Trump, but he’s the absolute worst non-Trump outcome I can imagine, and it’s really depressing.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 February 2020 02:57 (four years ago) link
But I bet a friend he wouldn’t win a single dem primary.
Four weeks ago everybody was lamenting Biden as being the inevitable nominee and now he's just lonely sending pointless "gimme fi' dollah" emails and about to ass out.
Now, everybody on my FB wall suddenly seems convinced Bloomberg has it, and apparently here it's being taken seriously enough that this thread exists. He has a spending advantage out the ass but well as of yet there ain't nothing to react to other than him polling better slightly now and opting out of the early caucus/primaries.
We are always terrible at predicting shit in these threads and have been for over four years so like idk, y'all like constantly being worked up?
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 February 2020 03:10 (four years ago) link
It's like every thread pivots from
-remote possibility of thing-consideration of said thing happening-becoming convinced it will happen-getting in huge fights over hypothetical thing that hasn't happened and may never
It's like me talking about my sex life
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, 14 February 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
Well the bet I’ve made so far is that he will flame out once the initial shock and awe ad campaign wears off and the ridiculousness of him as a candidate catches up with him. But he’s spending unprecedented amounts of money.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 February 2020 03:17 (four years ago) link
the ridiculousness of him as a candidate catches up with him.
this argument loses a certain amount of its force when you realize his sharpest competitors for the mushy moderate middle are Fading Former Veep Joe Biden, South Bend Indiana Mayor Pete Butigeig and Senator Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota.
― A is for (Aimless), Friday, 14 February 2020 03:26 (four years ago) link
He’s abysmally bad. Klobuchar and Pete have ten times his charisma.
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Friday, 14 February 2020 04:06 (four years ago) link
Where's this idea that Bernie would run third parry coming from? That doesn't seem particularly likely?
Bloomberg on the other hand seems guaranteed to run third party if Bernie gets the nomination
― anvil, Friday, 14 February 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link