If Mike Bloomberg is the Democratic nominee, will you vote for him in November?

anyone who is not in a group that is in danger of deportation, disenfranchisement or worse I kinda don't want to hear your bullshit about this, there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop, that harm real people in your communities

But he turned my city into Dubai

How franchised do you have too be before you can become disenfranchised

https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/02/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-trump-plan-to-deport-hmong-lao-immigrants

yeah and I'll be a pain in his ass during his Presidency to not be a fuck

i would not vote for Bloomberg in the primary of course, but also i'd vote for him over Trump every single time.

Bloomberg sucks but there's nothing he would do that wouldn't be worse and more stupidly under Trump and there are many things that would stop that are actively hurting Americans right now

there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop

Citation needed. His record as mayor indicates that he doesn't have any qualms with violating civil rights and liberties.

i'm voting for trump

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not really

― uncrut gems (crüt), Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:14 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

roller coaster of emotions you sent me on there

Bloomberg did win the Dixville vote y'know

the literal one vote

If Bloomberg ends up winning the Democratic nomination against Trump, then it is because the voting public in the USA gave that outcome their seal of approval. No matter how awful we may find that, if it happens the preponderance of the nation's adult population made it happen, not just the DNC or RNC or some nefarious cabal. It would be a fairly accurate reflection on where we are politically rn.

And the only viable response would be to swim against that current, continue to work for what you believe in, and organize around making it happen. Because ideas die when people abandon them.

Citation needed. His record as mayor indicates that he doesn't have any qualms with violating civil rights and liberties.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:10 PM (one minute ago)

Yeah, I think you are mistaking him for someone way less scary, like Howard Dean.

Bloomberg is not building a stupid fucking wall

neither is Trump

yes, but only one ballot. he's not worth committing fraud for

anyone who is not in a group that is in danger of deportation, disenfranchisement or worse I kinda don't want to hear your bullshit about this, there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop, that harm real people in your communities

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:00 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you're right, and i'm being an edgelord imagining he would be identical when it comes to immigration and travel bans. but the thought of the next decade or more following a bloomberg win is enough to make me give up on anything ever getting better than it was before 2016 on a national level. and given his cozy reception from the establishment and the media, i'm worried he could be 80% as bad as trump and get none of the scrutiny. he's branding himself as the heroic anti-trump and he'll be lauded for whatever he does.

none of this would really be so bad if we weren't stuck in a strict unkillable 2-party system but here we are

Congressional Dems would not roll over for a Dem Prez who tries to pull awful shit like the Rs have for Trump

enhhhhhhhhh

I mean they did oust Franken pretty quickly

gillibrand led that, and she was not rewarded for it

Joe Manchin would definitely obstruct Bloomberg's plan to sell poor people as fertilizer.

anyone who is not in a group that is in danger of deportation, disenfranchisement or worse I kinda don't want to hear your bullshit about this, there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop, that harm real people in your communities

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:00 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you're right, and i'm being an edgelord imagining he would be identical when it comes to immigration and travel bans. but the thought of the next decade or more following a bloomberg win is enough to make me give up on anything ever getting better than it was before 2016 on a national level. and given his cozy reception from the establishment and the media, i'm worried he could be 80% as bad as trump and get none of the scrutiny. he's branding himself as the heroic anti-trump and he'll be lauded for whatever he does.

― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:33 PM (four minutes ago)

I actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?

ums - that’s been my thinking about most of the shitty moderate candidates, and in a vacuum, if it was suddenly November and Bloomberg was the candidate, then I guess I could vote for him, certainly if I were in a competitive state. But in the context of this primary, where the reality of Bloomberg becoming the nominee almost certainly has to involve the party intervening and making deals to stop a grassroots movement for a progressive candidate, one who would be far better for endangered communities, well, that’s a tougher vote to cast. Acquiescing to Bloomberg buying the nomination would be the Democratic Party abandoning any principles that it has tried to claim and spitting on its base, and that’s not something I’d want to reward. Maybe I’d hold my nose and vote, but I don’t think I’d have the fortitude to do anything to try to get Bloomberg elected.

Anyway I’m maintaining my perhaps overly optimistic belief that his support will drop when he starts being visible beyond ads and appears in debates, and the party isn’t quite dumb enough to give him the nomination.

actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?

are you or members of your community in danger of deportation? if so, I apologise. if not, tough titty

I realize it's just theoretical for me, but if were faced with that decision, there wouldn't be a decision. Unless I lived in New York or Mississippi or some state where the outcome were 100% guaranteed, I'd get out and vote for Bloomberg. (And maybe even if I did live in one of those states.) I can't even begin to imagine what new horrors Trump will move on to if he's validated by reelection. He's just qualitatively different than anybody he'll be facing in November.

"if I were faced"

As usual, ums otm and bringing the real to fronting fools like me. Gotta keep the focus on those with the most skin in the game.

Bloomberg, noted defender of minority rights

don't front like Trump's immigration and deportation policies aren't extreme

oh look this argument again, hurray!

and on a fourth thread!

I mean Bloomberg sucks! if he gets the nomination we're fucked, I honestly think Trump would love to kick the shit out of him

but there's no way Bloomberg would be negotiating with Laos to deport 10K Hmong people who have lived here for 20 years and pretending otherwise is silly

so if I can't hold my nose and fill in an oval with a number two pencil what the fuck good are my progressive values?

In the hypothetical where yer presented w this choice and yr reaction isn't to angrily demand a third option I think you're sort of insane sorry

what good would that do?

In the hypothetical where yer presented w this choice and yr reaction isn't to angrily demand a third option I think you're sort of insane sorry

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.)

how would we angrily demand a third option?

If Bernie ran as a third party in this hypothetical, I probably would vote for him, but in a Trump v. Bloomberg scenario, ums is right: get over ourselves.

o ye of little imagination, you've got actual left-wing reps you can contact now y'know

a third party run by a Dem/indie in 2020 would put Trump in the White House. Do some of you understand American politics?

and some of us have been on weekly (after a period of daily) phone calls to our congressional offices since January 2017, thank you

In this scenario neither party would deserve yr vote ever again IMHO, gotta start from something

in the remote chance as of February 2020 that Bloomberg becomes the nominee,w hen would be the time to angrily demand a third option?

If electing a democratic socialist gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her. If electing a moderate Democrat gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her. If electing an oligarch and egomaniac with untold billions gets Trump out of the White House, I'd vote for him or her.

I can vote for him or her AND do what you suggest.

I'm personally about 99.9% sure a Mini Mike run would mean four more years of Trump anyway

but, yeah, I know, these threads are meant for performative angst.

If Bernie is the third party nominee against Bloomberg and Trump, will you vote for him in November?

Sorry for all the angst, I think it's the gaping wound where my wisdom tooth used to be.

Folks, if you have babby, insist on getting those fuckers yanked out as early as possible.

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