i'm voting for trump
― uncrut gems (crüt), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
not really
I refuse to vote in this poll
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, February 13, 2020 5:02 PM (twenty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
how irresponsible. state your reason:
- Not interested; felt vote wouldn't make a difference- Too busy or conflicting schedule- Illness or disability- Out of town or away from home- Registration problems- Users such as imago- Forgot to vote
― Evan, Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link
Trump wins that's four more years of trump and then we reset, likely with a dem
Bloomberg wins that's 8 years of Bloomberg...
Or 12 (shudder). I think he has made it fairly clear that he's not going to let a thing like term limits stop him from staying in office?
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:48 (four years ago) link
OP: Yes. From a consequentialist standpoint, the climate crisis dwarfs every other concern.
Sanders and Bloomberg (combined) have a 70% chance of the nomination on betting markets. It's likely the 2020 will assert the danger of plutocracy, or prove it.
― forgotten even to the sea (Sanpaku), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:50 (four years ago) link
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, February 13, 2020 5:48 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
at least he's fuckin old!
― ooga booga-ing for the bourgeoisie (voodoo chili), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link
Republicans don't die before 102
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 13 February 2020 22:59 (four years ago) link
anyone who is not in a group that is in danger of deportation, disenfranchisement or worse I kinda don't want to hear your bullshit about this, there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop, that harm real people in your communities
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:00 (four years ago) link
But he turned my city into Dubai
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:03 (four years ago) link
How franchised do you have too be before you can become disenfranchised
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/02/10/what-you-need-to-know-about-trump-plan-to-deport-hmong-lao-immigrants
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:05 (four years ago) link
yeah and I'll be a pain in his ass during his Presidency to not be a fuck
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:07 (four years ago) link
i would not vote for Bloomberg in the primary of course, but also i'd vote for him over Trump every single time.
― omar little, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:08 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg sucks but there's nothing he would do that wouldn't be worse and more stupidly under Trump and there are many things that would stop that are actively hurting Americans right now
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:09 (four years ago) link
there are a number of terrible government actions that would stop
Citation needed. His record as mayor indicates that he doesn't have any qualms with violating civil rights and liberties.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:10 (four years ago) link
i'm voting for trump― uncrut gems (crüt), Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:14 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglinknot really― uncrut gems (crüt), Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:14 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
― uncrut gems (crüt), Thursday, February 13, 2020 3:14 PM (fifty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
roller coaster of emotions you sent me on there
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:11 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg did win the Dixville vote y'know
― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:12 (four years ago) link
the literal one vote
If Bloomberg ends up winning the Democratic nomination against Trump, then it is because the voting public in the USA gave that outcome their seal of approval. No matter how awful we may find that, if it happens the preponderance of the nation's adult population made it happen, not just the DNC or RNC or some nefarious cabal. It would be a fairly accurate reflection on where we are politically rn.
And the only viable response would be to swim against that current, continue to work for what you believe in, and organize around making it happen. Because ideas die when people abandon them.
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:15 (four years ago) link
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:10 PM (one minute ago)
Yeah, I think you are mistaking him for someone way less scary, like Howard Dean.
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:20 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg is not building a stupid fucking wall
― Οὖτις, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
neither is Trump
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:28 (four years ago) link
yes, but only one ballot. he's not worth committing fraud for
― ciderpress, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:32 (four years ago) link
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:00 PM (eleven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
you're right, and i'm being an edgelord imagining he would be identical when it comes to immigration and travel bans. but the thought of the next decade or more following a bloomberg win is enough to make me give up on anything ever getting better than it was before 2016 on a national level. and given his cozy reception from the establishment and the media, i'm worried he could be 80% as bad as trump and get none of the scrutiny. he's branding himself as the heroic anti-trump and he'll be lauded for whatever he does.
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:33 (four years ago) link
none of this would really be so bad if we weren't stuck in a strict unkillable 2-party system but here we are
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
Congressional Dems would not roll over for a Dem Prez who tries to pull awful shit like the Rs have for Trump
― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
enhhhhhhhhh
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:42 (four years ago) link
I mean they did oust Franken pretty quickly
― frogbs, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
gillibrand led that, and she was not rewarded for it
― j., Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:49 (four years ago) link
Joe Manchin would definitely obstruct Bloomberg's plan to sell poor people as fertilizer.
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Thursday, February 13, 2020 6:33 PM (four minutes ago)
I actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?
― Deflatormouse, Thursday, 13 February 2020 23:51 (four years ago) link
ums - that’s been my thinking about most of the shitty moderate candidates, and in a vacuum, if it was suddenly November and Bloomberg was the candidate, then I guess I could vote for him, certainly if I were in a competitive state. But in the context of this primary, where the reality of Bloomberg becoming the nominee almost certainly has to involve the party intervening and making deals to stop a grassroots movement for a progressive candidate, one who would be far better for endangered communities, well, that’s a tougher vote to cast. Acquiescing to Bloomberg buying the nomination would be the Democratic Party abandoning any principles that it has tried to claim and spitting on its base, and that’s not something I’d want to reward. Maybe I’d hold my nose and vote, but I don’t think I’d have the fortitude to do anything to try to get Bloomberg elected.
Anyway I’m maintaining my perhaps overly optimistic belief that his support will drop when he starts being visible beyond ads and appears in debates, and the party isn’t quite dumb enough to give him the nomination.
― JoeStork, Friday, 14 February 2020 00:21 (four years ago) link
actually very much resent the presumption that I'm in some comfortable or privileged position because I would refuse to vote for Kodos over Kang?
are you or members of your community in danger of deportation? if so, I apologise. if not, tough titty
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 00:24 (four years ago) link
I realize it's just theoretical for me, but if were faced with that decision, there wouldn't be a decision. Unless I lived in New York or Mississippi or some state where the outcome were 100% guaranteed, I'd get out and vote for Bloomberg. (And maybe even if I did live in one of those states.) I can't even begin to imagine what new horrors Trump will move on to if he's validated by reelection. He's just qualitatively different than anybody he'll be facing in November.
― clemenza, Friday, 14 February 2020 00:43 (four years ago) link
"if I were faced"
As usual, ums otm and bringing the real to fronting fools like me. Gotta keep the focus on those with the most skin in the game.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:02 (four years ago) link
Bloomberg, noted defender of minority rights
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:26 (four years ago) link
don't front like Trump's immigration and deportation policies aren't extreme
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:32 (four years ago) link
oh look this argument again, hurray!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:33 (four years ago) link
and on a fourth thread!
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:34 (four years ago) link
I mean Bloomberg sucks! if he gets the nomination we're fucked, I honestly think Trump would love to kick the shit out of himbut there's no way Bloomberg would be negotiating with Laos to deport 10K Hmong people who have lived here for 20 years and pretending otherwise is sillyso if I can't hold my nose and fill in an oval with a number two pencil what the fuck good are my progressive values?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:35 (four years ago) link
In the hypothetical where yer presented w this choice and yr reaction isn't to angrily demand a third option I think you're sort of insane sorry
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link
what good would that do?
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:38 (four years ago) link
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.)
how would we angrily demand a third option?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:39 (four years ago) link
If Bernie ran as a third party in this hypothetical, I probably would vote for him, but in a Trump v. Bloomberg scenario, ums is right: get over ourselves.
― We're jumping on the road with @Nickelback this summer! (PBKR), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:41 (four years ago) link
o ye of little imagination, you've got actual left-wing reps you can contact now y'know
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:43 (four years ago) link
a third party run by a Dem/indie in 2020 would put Trump in the White House. Do some of you understand American politics?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:44 (four years ago) link
and some of us have been on weekly (after a period of daily) phone calls to our congressional offices since January 2017, thank you
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:45 (four years ago) link
In this scenario neither party would deserve yr vote ever again IMHO, gotta start from something
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:46 (four years ago) link
in the remote chance as of February 2020 that Bloomberg becomes the nominee,w hen would be the time to angrily demand a third option?
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Friday, 14 February 2020 01:48 (four years ago) link