anyone know what bidens xG was
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 17:48 (four years ago) link
wow maybe the Blue No Matter Who folks weren’t as Blue as we’d been led to believe
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 17:53 (four years ago) link
Seems like Bernie has a solid lock on 25% of Democratic voters but hasn't managed to expand on that because of the crowded field. I think he stands to pick up some Yang supporters, though that's probably not enough to make much of a difference. The bigger question is to what extent he is able to peel off Biden and Warren supporters who have come to believe that their candidate is non-viable.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 17:54 (four years ago) link
Depends what proportion of Biden's support is 'whoever looks like winning' and what proportion of Warren's support is vaguely 'progressive'. Pretty open to interpretation!
― anvil, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 17:56 (four years ago) link
xpost we'll see. it's still very early, and a lot depends on how long pete/klob/biden/bloomberg keep splitting votes, and how consistently those splits break down from primary to primary.
― Doctor Casino, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
I keep going back to the latest Quinnipiac poll.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQi5wnnXUAIVEt5?format=jpg&name=medium
2nd choice for Biden supporters: Bloomberg 21, Sanders 19, Buttigieg 17, Warren 13, Klobuchar 102nd choice for Warren supporters: Sanders 33, Buttigieg 25, Biden 8, Klobuchar 7
If both Biden and Warren dropped out tomorrow, it seems like Sanders would be in the best position to benefit?
But I don't think either of them is going to drop out tomorrow. What's unpredictable is whether voters stick with them or begin to look elsewhere.
― jaymc, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 18:04 (four years ago) link
Two good articles today on media bias against Bernie:
Alex Shepard: https://newrepublic.com/article/156545/bernie-sanders-msnbc-problem
Margaret Sullivan: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/the-media-keep-falling-in-love--with-anybody-but-bernie-sanders/2020/02/12/0f55cc12-4d9c-11ea-bf44-f5043eb3918a_story.html
― jaymc, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link
Pretty open to interpretation!
That's why some polls inquire about voters' second choice. But even that is subject to revisions as campaigns progress and voters shift themselves about. It's not worth trying to interpret this stuff in advance. It does make sense to contribute time and/or money to one's first choice now, because campaigns are fluid and they run on a mixture of money and volunteers, so that waiting to participate can only reduce the odds that your first choice will prevail.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 18:31 (four years ago) link
If Dems go on to nominate Sanders, the Russians will have to reconsider who to work for to best screw up the US. Sanders is just as polarizing as Trump AND he’ll ruin our economy and doesn’t care about our military. If I’m Russian, I go with Sanders this time around.— Lloyd Blankfein (@lloydblankfein) February 12, 2020
this should be a Bernie flyer
― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
i mean, Lloyd knows about ruining the economy
the responses to that tweet w pictures of Llyod & Ghislane Maxwell are why sometimes the internet is good.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
Been thinking a lot about this tweet:
No one is above criticism but 30 minutes of listening to the bad faith elite criticisms of Bernie Sanders is enough to radicalize any ordinary person.— Murtaza M. Hussain (@MazMHussain) February 8, 2020
― jaymc, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
what happens to warren's delegates when she drops out?
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link
https://ballotpedia.org/Democratic_delegate_rules,_2020#What_happens_to_delegates_allocated_to_candidates_who_withdraw.3F
― Bougy! Bougie! Bougé! (Eliza D.), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link
Generally speaking, delegates arrive to the convention pledged to vote for a particular candidate on at least the first ballot, unless or until that candidate releases them from their obligation. The delegates themselves are usually people loyal to the candidate they were pledged to, often being local politicians or large donors. When a candidate 'drops out' they usually say they are 'suspending' their campaign and retain their delegates, if any, up until the convention or just before it.
― A is for (Aimless), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:36 (four years ago) link
https://www.newsweek.com/bernie-sanders-leads-all-democratic-candidates-support-non-white-voters-new-polls-show-14868077
― DJI, Wednesday, 12 February 2020 20:56 (four years ago) link
https://i.redd.it/3fw6epyi4ig41.jpg
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:04 (four years ago) link
Klobbuchar!
― Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 22:05 (four years ago) link
xxp -- who the fuck are the 20% of sanders voters whose second choice is joe biden
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:18 (four years ago) link
(unless I'm reading the chart backward, in which case, who the fuck are the 19% of sanders voters whose second choice is biden?)
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:19 (four years ago) link
― like, I’m eating an elephant head (katherine), Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:18 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink
old ppl? name recognition ppl?
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Thursday, 13 February 2020 01:28 (four years ago) link
most people don't pay attention and vote for whatever weird vibe reasons
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Thursday, 13 February 2020 02:31 (four years ago) link
right, bernie gives good vibes, he is def the the vibes candidate #notmeVIBES
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:03 (four years ago) link
i really don't get the fear some people have of bernie. chris matthews the other day said he thought bernie would hang him publicly in central park or something. do people like their money this much?
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:28 (four years ago) link
yes
― j., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:33 (four years ago) link
can't honestly say if money is the primary reason someone would want to hang matthews in central park
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:38 (four years ago) link
i'm not even sure they'd lose money in the end. maybe the 1% of the 1%. but investing in education and healthcare and energy infrastructure would mean a healthier economy, more returns on investments. he's not talking about disrupting the capitalist paradigm but improving it
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link
So an anonymous bloc of Democratic Party donors is launching a PAC specifically designed to stop Bernie Sanders and saying it won’t release its funding sources because Sanders supporters are too mean online? Looks like the establishment has officially entered full freakout mode. pic.twitter.com/oIgKlsETOb— Miles Kampf-Lassin (@MilesKLassin) February 12, 2020
― j., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:39 (four years ago) link
which one of bernie's policies are they most afraid of?
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:43 (four years ago) link
incivility
― j., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:47 (four years ago) link
pretty cool to know that kryptonite for billionaires is being owned online.
jfc if that were the ONLY reason to redistribute their shit it would be good enough.
― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:49 (four years ago) link
if his program passed as it is described, it would cause massive disruptions in the US economy, which would essentially be restructured--i guess. healthcare and fossil fuels especially would be hit and people would need to find new ways to make money. perhaps also the military. but 1.) sooner or later, these destructive industries are going to have to be reigned in and 2.) he will inevitably need to compromise these positions, and what will end up happening is reform. (reform with teeth hopefully but still)
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link
it just seems like they're overreacting. he is popular enough that, with some institutional backing, he would be a very strong candidate against trump. but instead there is this fearmongering--it goes way beyond people arguing that his plans wouldn't work out as well as he thinks
― treeship., Thursday, 13 February 2020 03:57 (four years ago) link
do people like their money this much?
As near as I can tell, money activates almost all the same responses in the majority of people as any other addictive substance, and like other addicts who become morally unreliable over any perceived threat to their addiction, people who have become to addicted to money will do everything they know how to do to protect their access to whatever feeds their addiction.
The old saying is often misquoted and therefore often misunderstood; correctly stated it goes "the love of money is the root of all evil". That 'love of money' refers to what I am calling an addiction to it. An alternative and oppositional old saying, which you almost never hear at all, is "enough is as good as a feast".
― A is for (Aimless), Thursday, 13 February 2020 04:45 (four years ago) link
otmfm
― an incoherent crustacean (MatthewK), Thursday, 13 February 2020 05:19 (four years ago) link
money is powerpower corrupts
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 February 2020 06:30 (four years ago) link
other addicts who become morally unreliable over any perceived threat to their addiction
The allure of having too much is enhanced by being contrasted against having nothing. If everyone has access to "enough," the impetus to have too much should be reduced.
We should explore this theory, out of concern for the mental health and emotional condition of the 1%.
― Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Thursday, 13 February 2020 07:44 (four years ago) link
it just seems like they're overreacting
performative, pre-emptive overreaction in order to influence yr opposition's plan is - ive seen the figures, i cannot give away my source- 93.3% of all american political activity
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:09 (four years ago) link
its called "hurt-you signalling" in the industry, i cant give away my sourced
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:10 (four years ago) link
Figures sound legit
― plax (ico), Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:13 (four years ago) link
look i really im sorry i cant you understand i shouldnt even wait did you hear that what was that i have to go
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:18 (four years ago) link
Not do Berners
Iowa was also great turnout for Trump, and well organized. People need to start taking it seriously. https://t.co/iu6WWfc8EU— mugrimm (@mugrimm) February 12, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 13 February 2020 08:35 (four years ago) link
I probably should be able to figure this out for myself being a lawyer and all, but at what point did it become fine for political donations to become anonymous? I don't think that was a holding of Citizens United?
― longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:40 (four years ago) link
xpost something tells me a president who mostly does rallies is more effective in getting groups of his zombies to gather together and shout for him
― Muswell Hillbilly Elegy (President Keyes), Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link
yeah those numbers are meaningless, the guy's entire presidency is a rally
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:11 (four years ago) link
"a stunner"
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:13 (four years ago) link
sdmh, this is a stunner chris stigall u heathen
https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fmedia3.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2F5UtazS7U2kF12d133z%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1
― Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:15 (four years ago) link
I don't know, seems like an indicator he'll be as good at maximizing Republican turnout as feared.
― Chris L, Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:18 (four years ago) link
we knew this
― american bradass (BradNelson), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:19 (four years ago) link
― Chris L, Thursday, February 13, 2020 10:18 AM
yet we still won in 2018
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Thursday, 13 February 2020 15:24 (four years ago) link