fg in particular have top-to-bottom been public and explicit in their disappointment with the impatience of the electorate, theyre going into "unpopular parent" mode
rush, the post was to try to impress to aimless the structural changes in Irish politics, i couldn't stand over the comparison at all really but it was a long weekend and ...i was hungry, also in the middle of a fight about ramekins
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 09:31 (four years ago) link
xp this is very true in my experience of that age group, they are much more political than my age group (understandably, and thankfully). Deems, any thoughts? I was looking at photos of my old pair when they had me last week, and they looked like babies to me. They had me and a house of their own at an age that seems unreachable now, and it’s happened so fast that it’s no wonder people are voting the way they are. Yes, the young have always emigrated, but the ones who stay in the country have usually been able to afford housing and to send their children to local schools and stay part of the community. It’s one of the things I really took for granted about home, and I didn’t miss it when I left, but it’s an anchor the country needs. And yeah, as long as FF/FG keep telling the young (and not-so-young) that the things their parents achieved without working themselves to the bone, with a normal income and even in many cases with one parent working are fantasies and they just need to shtop with the notions? This trend will continue.
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 09:58 (four years ago) link
i think that they are, following a worldwide trend, enabled pretty clearly by the politicisation of youth spaces online, much more *theoretically* politically interested.
i think theres a danger of handwaving upwards chronologically to other generations, as much as the generation im at the tailend of (in some ways, in some ways not) is prone to handwaving down.
the stuff you're hitting there in yr post, it runs deep. the pace of change has been enormous. no small country in europe has stood still, but yeah the differences in what our parents (im not that much fuckin older u chancer) *expected* and what we did, then what we didnt, is enormous. an enormously unsettled time with huge lack of empathy and understanding between successive generations and in that i think some of the 50s/60s/70-80s parallels with the states do ring true as set againt ireland 80s/90s/00s-now
the ireland that afforded family living on a single wage with the father securing steady work at 16 had so much wrong with it, and im not going to say baby out with bathwater, and for sure i know that you in particular would never idyllise what we were back then!
i think that- and we all may look the same to you- the leaving cert years (imo, right off the pan hot, this to me is our divider, not age, tbh) of the end of 80s and through the early 90s found that the world was good, that they were raised expecting to be able to make their mark on their own lives but not have it easy- london called, merikay called, aiming for rich was a mugs game (tho if it came, it came, it certainly wasnt prohibited) but middle class anywhere was in their sights and falling short of that would be a process or gradation not disaster
they did what they had been told and theyd been warned that the brits would be against them, that the yanks would work them hard but pay them well, that keeping yr head down, following the rules would keep you safe as long as you were known at the church and the club.
there were shibboleths and associations and sins of transgression and civil war politics were a huge feature of life but theyd learned to exist, grandad was dead or old.
that was the politics as they stepped into the age of discussing politics, and instead of the above payoff, the rules fell to pieces as the world fell before them unexpectedly.
right i better post this, i do all this on a temperamental phone yknow
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 10:41 (four years ago) link
this is blather off the cuff obv, david mcwilliams im not, thank fuck, so i havent sat down and put a cute sticker over any one suffering group like the mother's prodigy he is
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 10:44 (four years ago) link
Explain?
i think that- and we all may look the same to you- the leaving cert years (imo, right off the pan hot, this to me is our divider, not age, tbh) of the end of 80s and through the early 90s
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:04 (four years ago) link
ha
im only saying that the subdivisions in generations get relevant imo, the 25 year grading falls apart, every generation is reacting to the seismic events as affect them in a wide enough swathe
and
im not that fuckin old
imo the way (well, one way that im not sure ive seen) to most interestingly break things up for random musings like this is your era as a school leaver
i may have to read it all again in order to capture my own thread before moving on to the ireland online leaving cert years, as well as reminding everyone of how the goodfellas energy of the "fuckin hell getting rich is *easy*" LC89 crew went
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:15 (four years ago) link
I heard when you did it, it was called the Inter Cert.Ok, I’m really going now.
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:26 (four years ago) link
firstly fp
secondly inter cert was the junior cert you fuckin tadpole
what do they be bloody teaching ye
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 11:37 (four years ago) link
lol am not gonna get near spitting out the remainder of most of this today, but cmere
golly what a day of politics we have planned for you, folks
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 12:43 (four years ago) link
xp in most of the country you do both state exams, maybe not in the wesht thoughI look forward to yr response
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
when twas the inter cert, boys would be on the boat to london the next day, bedad
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:49 (four years ago) link
yerra youd be lucky man to do your inter cert
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
my aul fella had to be compelled to sit even the inter cert with promises he could go out on the fishing boats if he did his best
he landed up to the house with the results, second in the school, "chrisht" his aul man exclaims, "you'll be a priesht!"
he ran away that night to dublin, hopped aboard the first vessel that would take a 15 year old on and spent two years in norway on the boats.
he had made peace over the phone with the parents in the intervening, but hadn't returned until his 18th just in case
en route down the island home he spotted that it was biker's weekend, says jaysus ill have a look, spent from friday thru sunday night on the piss down the sandybanks and passed the house on the back of a harley wavin hallooo to the mother cos he was late to get back to dublin, disnt see them again another two years
thats my inter cert story now. an awful man.
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 16:56 (four years ago) link
explains a lot
― Saxophone Of Futility (Michael B), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:12 (four years ago) link
xp this story is so similar to An Béal Bocht that I am moved, not for the first time, to compare you to yr civil service predecessor Brian O’ Nolan.great names the family had as well
Brian was the third of 11 children, Gearóid, Ciarán, Roisin, Fergus, Kevin, Maeve, Nessa, Nuala, Sheila, Niall, and Micheál.
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:16 (four years ago) link
solid names def
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link
Looking good
Join Sinn Féin.https://t.co/wqMzYkWBZv pic.twitter.com/XxtgyiAYQp— Gerry Adams (@GerryAdamsSF) February 11, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link
Still incandescent with rage that there’s no link to that video of him doing results chat in his Antrim GAA jersey and opening the chat with “coola boola”.
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link
youve the pics at least
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:45 (four years ago) link
i caught it live, look theres no point denying it, it was glorious tbh
non-emigrant privilège at its worst
― hyds (gyac), Tuesday, 11 February 2020 17:57 (four years ago) link
I've no words for this 🤷♀️ pic.twitter.com/nNF0JcSvFp— Fíona Ní mhistéil 🇮🇪 (@fionamitchell56) February 11, 2020
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:04 (four years ago) link
never....forget?
I'm finding it difficult to parse what point he thinks he's making
― plax (ico), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:27 (four years ago) link
listen again!
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 13:29 (four years ago) link
So when do the bids get unsealed
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link
Oh my God I just burst out laughing at your man. The head on him! Very reminscent of my JC history class where a friend’s answer to the question “Why wasn’t De Valera shot by the British?” was “He gave them a bribe.” Constant Mark O’ Bhich indeed
― hyds (gyac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 16:46 (four years ago) link
conn markobitch gave his life fyi
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Wednesday, 12 February 2020 16:50 (four years ago) link
the FG no to sf has remained firm
the FF no looked v weak but is firming up
the odds on FF/FG/Green halved over night
total agreement, here we gooooo
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:22 (four years ago) link
best political system in de wordeld, obv
They’ll be laughing on the other side of their faces when it inevitably collapses & SF wins 120 seats in the rerun
― hyds (gyac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:27 (four years ago) link
theres so much in play
as far as i can think it through, it all rests on the nebulous expectations each of the three main players have for the coming term of govt, which is gonna be a matter of political calculus that theyd each want to be very certain of getting right
ff most to lose, for all of the reasons. theyre the party most suited to, best placed to, with the most pressing political reasons (michéal taoiseach, biggest party, running out of time to recover, and losing imo (by roundabout via fg for a decade) their voters to sf) to enter sf coalition
fg best off out of govt but if they think they can snatch back (and i think, even to other parties like ff/sd/lab tbh) that 12% from sf by:
forming a stable (big assumption) four/five year govt:
that provides large amounts of affordable homes for those swing voters, ie
-not rental (not bought wholesale by funds) -not at or near current prices-and, i cynically think tbh myself, not swallowed up in large part by social housing nor approved housing bodies
and just for fg (obv for ff this is lifeblood stuff) i dont think they actually *want* to do any of this stuff. they dont think everyone deserves a house, but if its in the rules and they ~have to, jeez~ then owning is for our lot, and renting is for your lot, buy in or fuck off has been their approach for the past three years when things became viable again
ok, take a breath, phew, thats a lot for a coalition (surely would have to be a full coalition govt this time, which would still be a significant step for the lads) to manage and bank on, who have we to get the numbers....
the greens? jesus thats optimistic. not very likely, seeing the progress theyre enjoying in this moment, to sign up to a programme that puts emphasis on houses! now! quickly! anywhere!
independents? more prone than most to fracture and in particular towards the popular momentum, besides which will the electorate tolerate a FF led clientelism based govt again? FG hardly got away with that, and at least had the appropriate sniffy air towards the whole sordid setup
lab/socdem? i mean, if i knew what they were for i could make an argument against it, but....?
the amount of things that would have to be agreed so firmly to hold it together, and then go perfectly......i think its a mad risk.
and so obviously a grand coalition of keepball against SF that the optics are not good.
im surprised this is swooping this way, but id be more surprised if its not kites, nor if its not the strangest kites we see flown between now and mickey d signing off on a rabble.
still think ff will form a stable govt with sf
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link
sf, as you note, only lose in the least likely scenario- a coalition govt, starting out on an awful footing optically, gets everything right over a long enough term to win back voters, and over a short enough term that something unseen (or their own pretty likely failings as a group) doesnt intercede to ruin it all anyway.
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Thursday, 13 February 2020 12:10 (four years ago) link
Was last week's result despite a great amount of teh electorate not being able to vote before next Saturday or did that get taken care of?Heard a sizable chunk of people couldn't actually vote before 15th of February and would probably vote more left after taht point so the election was pushed forward to prevent them counting.So if there was a need for a revote or anything it would be difficult to keep them excluded. Or did they get earlier clearance or something?
― Stevolende, Thursday, 13 February 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link
update
still no govt, and little more than feints not even fully developed into posturing just yet
still feel FF/SG plus at least one smaller party and a few IND seats is the likely outcome
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 29 February 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link
i skipped briefly over it
for as far as i got in it, it was nothing that hasnt been said by any analyst in one of their simpler presentations over the past two years
the only thing that struck me was the global/international angle, which i may be overemphasizing on a skim read.
but does anyone else want to read dermot fucking desmond writing an opinion piece in the irish fucking times lecturing us that housing is now unaffordable and shouldn't be a tradeable asset as well as a citizen right to let me know whether- as twitter insists on telling me all morning- he is now a socialist, or is it the baldest effort ive ever seen of "fuck out all them funds, i want this sweet market to myself"
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 11:41 (four years ago) link
Absolutely not, I’m planning on a nice Saturday, I’d rather not have a brain haemorrhage before I start drinking ty.
― median punt (gyac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 11:53 (four years ago) link
My first job out of college was for a small campus company which had recently been bought by a Dermot Desmond company (under a business magnate who'd previously disguised his tech talents by (checks notes) managing the National Women's Football team).
We ended up with some people who'd worked with DD in previous companies, one of whom told a story about a few lads who'd gone up to install the new version of their flagship software on his PC, and then had to take an unscheduled holiday for a few weeks because it had remapped the function keys, which were the main conduits of his executive function.
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 March 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
Which is to give another angle from which to say: fuck Dermot Desmond.
(not slagging the National Women's Football team of course, or saying that it doesn't take talent to manage them, just that he was talking himself up as the next Bill Gates shortly after buying the company)
― Andrew Farrell, Saturday, 7 March 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link
im a close personal friend of a womens all ireland football winning coach, he is full of mantras and blather wisdom but an ok fella all told
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link
Tiny country
― median punt (gyac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:41 (four years ago) link
k¸ (darraghmac) wrote this on thread Euro 2012 Qualification (pre-empt to handball cheat phase) on board I Love Football on 09-Sep-2010
packie bonner paid for my first ever pint
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Saturday, 7 March 2020 20:54 (four years ago) link
They may take our freedom but they'll never take our SALADS....#coronavirus #Coronavirusireland #COVID19ireland pic.twitter.com/TjFts61220— Caolán Mc Aree (@Caolanmcaree) March 19, 2020
― gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Thursday, 19 March 2020 19:13 (four years ago) link
hes as much a mocker of the underclass he doesnt care about as any of the clichés
a prick
― thou shalt not covid thy neighbour's wife (darraghmac), Thursday, 19 March 2020 22:30 (four years ago) link
looks like an orderly and cautious wind down, with plenty of provisos
seems sensible
haven't gone near any details of what a programme for govt between fg/ff/greens would look like, nor been keeping tabs much tbh
― kim rong un (darraghmac), Friday, 1 May 2020 10:19 (three years ago) link
Back in the High Court today - Gemma O’Doherty and John Waters as they ask for a judicial review of the Covid-19 restrictions pic.twitter.com/uIM2kKNY1Z— Dominic McGrath (@McGrathDominic) May 5, 2020
thread of the continuing Waters/O'Doherty idiot show, some of their thick as fuck cheerleaders defying social distancing outside the courtroom. I used to associate John Waters with some funny movies and a foul-mouthed xmas song comp, this clown has brought the name into disrepute.
― calzino, Tuesday, 5 May 2020 10:04 (three years ago) link
A source incorrectly recalled to the Irish Examiner that Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe requested pineapple on a pizza during negotiations. Mr Donohoe has confirmed through a spokesperson he did not request that pizza, and is “a ‘New Yorker Pizza’ kind of guy” with bacon, chicken and barbecue sauce.We apologise to Mr Donohoe for any offence caused.
― coptic feels (seandalai), Friday, 26 June 2020 12:54 (three years ago) link
The Irish love their pizza so much and they are so fucking shit at it
― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Friday, 26 June 2020 13:11 (three years ago) link
interesting red c poll today
― close encounters of the third knid (darraghmac), Sunday, 28 January 2024 13:34 (two months ago) link