Irish politics discussion thread

They won’t get in in Laois-Offaly but they’ve done well there.

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PBP candidate with a Connolly badge, you love to see it.

HON THE GREENS

Lol XPs I will have thoughts on Irish politics! Just give a sec

[...] racism, you can argue a lot of things against SF but that’s not what motivates their voters.

Really? None of them? Three weeks ago, a SF councillor was suspended after declaring in a podcast that a ‘family man’ should be running the country, and that Leo Varadkar’s part-Indian heritage means that he is ‘separated from the history of’ Ireland. (His podcast, aptly, is named “No Shame”.)
My experience has always been that those kinds of attitudes are not uncommon in the SF organisation and core vote. Mostly, though, the people they put up for election are smart enough to keep their prejudices hidden.

To give some more context on the Green performance in Laois-Offaly, they didn’t stand candidates there until 2002. Before this election they’d never got more than 800 votes. Now they’ve polled close to 6000 - it’s a great result for them even if they don’t get a seat this time.

xp welcome to Ireland? Given the split to Aontú, idk why it’s a surprise that these views are held by some party members. Or, you know, the 30+% of the country that wanted to keep the 8th.

... you’re right, it’s no surprise at all.

Ó SNODAIGH AENGUS

Could this boy be Irish you think?

hes a

i dont know the man personally mind

fucking cunt

Christ you’d almost miss our usual politics people itt wouldn’t you?

A terrible man.

It was reported in February 2012, that Ó Snodaigh's office had used €50,000 worth of ink cartridges from the Oireachtas between 2007 and 2008.[16]

Big news in Clare, where four candidates were elected in one count (count 10). High profile TD Timmy Dooley of Fianna Fáil, who was at the centre of the Dáil voting controversy late last year, has lost his seat.

Elected after reaching the quota: Michael McNamara IND and Violet-Anne Wynne (SF).

I believe god promises in the Torah that it is okay to print personal documents at work but that seems overboard

i would no more say that "no sfer is racist" than i would say that of any ffer or any fger

every one of them has their rump that reflects that ireland is populated by yknow humans, shit ones an all

I think we do well to acknowledge it without condoning it, and demand a high standard of how our public figures represent these lamentable views without rushing to pretend that they dont exist nor demanding that they be erased from the picture rather than dealt with (however the fuck you do that)

the mistakes of other countries, other societies and most certainly other politics threads may instruct us

sf fucked yerman out. thats not insignificant.

Greens in with a shout in Dublin SW? That seat is returning a PBP candidate 2nd as well.

Christ you’d almost miss our usual politics people itt wouldn’t you?

― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:46 (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

to whom do you refer, and I'll answer that candidly i promise

xp otm, it’s not exactly a difficult argument to make that their politics are not driven by racism in contrast with the shite they’re being compared with. Good thing I didn’t say “racism doesn’t exist and never has in SF” like?

xp much like the ghoul of Dublin Fingal, to speak of is to summon

dimmy tooley, fuck off and dont stop fucking off until you hear my whistle

yeah, towards the cliffs would work, on you go

That a grown man would be happy to be known as Timmy is a disgrace and an affront tbh.

Big news in Clare, where four candidates were elected in one count (count 10)

four candidates out of four at that - the heart swells.

THE son of Sinn Fein TD Aengus O Snodaigh has undergone major surgery after being stabbed following a row over a computer game.

Doctors were forced to operate on Fearghal O Snodaigh (18) after discovering that he sustained wounds to his chest during an altercation in his Dublin home in the early hours of yesterday morning.

Gardai were last night seeking to question the only suspect in the case, who sources say was very well known to the victim.

It's emerged that the two men were playing a computer game together when a row broke out at the property, located just off the Naas Road.

It is understood that the game was a football simulation.

these things will happen when one prick starts abusing the cutbacks

im fine with staying open on what motivates the sf voter

the old 12% and the new 10%

but a similar projection of what motivates the fg voter or the ff voter would be similarly fairly limited in what it could reliably tell us, i think?

a. projection, yr honour
b. anecdote, yr honour
c. what nefarious soup went into the beast, yr honour, need not determine the movement of the beats, mlud
d. theyre going in with ff, if a fraction of a fraction has shit views, so has every coalition govt or dail ever, really

is that fair enough, vh, without shouting you out of it or anythin?

The fella who looks to be sandwiched between two Healy-Raes is a Pa Daly, just saying.

snoddig can't help how he looks and im not in a position to thus criticise but any time ive been in his presence he does nothing in stance, vocal styling, motion nor general behaviour to dismiss the stereotype of a gurrier that a cause found, he is a deeply objectionable waste of shoes

Actually, speaking of that

Two sons of Independent TD Michael Healy-Rae have been found guilty of assault causing harm to a man during a night out in Kenmare on 28 December 2017.

containing the sentence

"I grabbed him in a head lock and asked him to stop with my right arm."

lads

have ye not been reading the papers or what

Sorry teacher

snoddig has a wife, you know

That’s a relief

For sure, dmac. I must admit to having been tempted by the low-hanging fruit of what I perceived as an overly broad generalisation.

xp much like the ghoul of Dublin Fingal, to speak of is to summon

― hyds (gyac), Monday, 10 February 2020 15:52 (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

you understand, now, that from my pov the lineup of possible usual suspects not only doubtless consists of quite different ppl to yours, but is also approx forty times longer?

What a weird way to say what you didn’t understand what I was saying and just replied to the point you wished I was making.

Count 10 in Wicklow. Simon Harris 3rd! The Green looks certain to get a seat.

FF get the last seat in Dublin North-West after FG transfers go 3-1 for them vs PBP.

FG look dead certain not to return a TD in Sligo-Leitrim (first time in the history of the state, RTÉ says).

xp ugh! Sad for the young fella with the Connolly patch on his jacket

Dublin Bay North on count 11, unfortunately the green is over 1000 behind Sean Haughey so will be excluded soon.

speaking of seats, if ive to back there between the two of ye therell be murdher

why do you always take the side of any old prick wandering into a thread and making stupid and insulting comments?

A certain shtick-to-it-iveness

i reject the accusation and dont think it holds up in any way.

vh tried to make a specific case against wider sf by picking a very poor specific example and anecdotally expanding it

imo i argued fairly against that

i think yr post is miles out of order

and ill continue to "take the side" of meself, given that i didnt take anyones side at all.

- not the first time he’s done it
- nor you either
- suit yourself, I cbf today

It's natural we're all on edge until xyzzzz__ returns with his thoughts.

ppl are allowed disagree, theyre even allowed be wrong

if im consistently anything its against this thread, which surely everyone will agree has been pretty fuckin excellent, following the path of other politics threads.

if that's not fair enough for you, i have nothing im afraid.

darragh what’s the read from your nearest-to-hand civil service lifers

darragh what’s the read from your nearest-to-hand civil service lifers

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Monday, 10 February 2020 16:27 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

.....cautious

my dept is old, conservative (dept characteristics, not individuals tbc) and not generally the type of culture where robust and lively discussion- esp around politics either ito held views nor ito current party political events- is a huge feature

one in four voters is each of a sf, ff, fg supporter, we are used to coalition but some of this is very new ground- i dont think its at all like being lab or tory voters under a roof, i don't think its at all like being dem or gop under a roof.

union, they should be expected to be friendly towards, but not in a ff "we'll sort ye out" way.

mgmt- they should be expected to be hostile towards.

they may be the first party from whom an approach to split the PS union by appealing to the popular frontline (nurses, teachers, guards, et al) while being their whip arm against the middle class admin might be expected.

i also think theres the makings of a post about the worry of exactly what sf attitude to the establishment infrastructure of the state might be. i havent gotten my own thoughts in order and in many ways they as a mover are to me a closed box.

if they get in with ff, i think that it might be play-nice as long as it lasts. maybe.

It's natural we're all on edge until xyzzzz__ returns with his thoughts.

― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 10 February 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Once I figured out what the hell was going on with embeds the person deleted the tweet.

It was about Bono, that is all.

ill give another shout to get Fred B in here

Interesting how in the 3-way split opinion polls, political commentators overestimated FF converting their share of the vote into seats & underestimating SF

Current UCD predictions:

FF -39

SF - 37

FG - 36

GP - 12

Soc Dem - 6

Lab - 6

Sol/PBP - 5

Ind/Oth - 19#GE2020

— Nicola Ní Mhistéil (@serentrippety) February 10, 2020