Irish politics discussion thread

i wrote him a politely worded letter g, and posted it as i normally do

pom

it means that one of their core tenets, probably there key tenet, is the achievement of a 32 county. republic on the ireland of ireland

thats the dry version

There have been shit takes all over Twitter!

pom - nationalist in the sense of supportive of Ireland the independent nation, the whole island. We do have nationalist parties that express their hatred of foreigners but SF is not that.

i wrote him a politely worded letter g, and posted it as i normally do

Wouldn't 'republican' be a better descriptor instead of nationalist? (media here have been using the same word btw)

Would watch an RTE 24/7 elections show w/ Gyac and Deems gaelicking us through the results btw, good stuff here ppl!

il comptait déjà 29 députés confirmés pour le Dail

paul murphy was asked last night, as the question of a left alliance in govt arose, whether SF were 'left'

he demurred

im open to question in this, but one question that arises is at what stage the political theory on economics etc married the national question, and rather interestingly to what extent one is the vehicle for the other.

nb this question is interesting from outside looking in anyway, but its very interesting indeed when considered in the party itself across different people (cant say factions, cant say groupings, afaict theyre a remarkably disciplined bunch ito message unity). i get the idea that there's probably a wide range of prioritisation across the two issues, but in the circs and as-yet untested its very hard to tell.

Along with the flag?

xp I am not sure RTÉ would air something as, well, avant garde as deems being his usual inscrutable self and me rolling my eyes and muttering “fucking Blueshirts/shoneens” every few seconds. Maybe if they gave me a hurl to break something every time someone was elected on the first count?

i would agree, in their angle on immigration and all else associated issues, sf are declared irish republican but not irish nationalist

SF are pretty left for us! And yeah I know the SNP are trialling the whole “nationalism but make it left” aspect atm, but you’d have reason to believe that the economics stays intact even in the event of a successful border poll?

listen if they aired that professor free-associating the demographics through an examination of his relationship with his ascendancy mother last night, im a shoe-in never mind a shoneen

yes i was sidetracked

the other question is the inscrutability of the surge

all housing?

nationalist rise?

move left as a result of patience broken with wage slave bank rescue?

long term, or "we'll give it a go"?

nobody has a fuckin clue selon le prof et selon moi

sf are populist left would be a fair comment i think, and we shall see what their red lines are i spose?

listen if they aired that professor free-associating the demographics through an examination of his relationship with his ascendancy mother last night, im a shoe-in never mind a shoneen

he may be better in the telling, or at least better watched after a long day for all concerned

sf

and the public service

interesting

Thanks, deems & gyac. That sounds perfectly reasonable to me.

xp
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/0e/Michael_Collins.jpg

Matt Barrett, Leo Varadkar's partner, spoke to @NuachtTG4 about teaching the Fine Gael leader Irish, and his disappointment with the #GE2020 result. | https://t.co/asNmJWIpQ3 pic.twitter.com/8eu5Gfg2b4

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) February 10, 2020

all housing?

nationalist rise?

move left as a result of patience broken with wage slave bank rescue?

long term, or "we'll give it a go"?

all of the above tbh

I can’t find a clip of his apparently legendary interview in Antrim GAA kit?

Oiche mhaith. Time to put the boys to bed. pic.twitter.com/bfEoXSNQh1

— Gerry Adams (@GerryAdamsSF) February 9, 2020

I don't recall there being much of left-wing vibe to SF* growing up, but then it was all subsumed by them being, you know, the political wing of the IRA back when it meant something

but it's a new world, and they've found a renewal, and fair play to them.

*apart from the, ah, local nationalisation of the drug industry.

i think jim could give context otherwise, h block marxism and all that

but it would be fair to note that the differences between 70s youth republicans, 90s youth republicans and 2020 youth republicans are imo marked

jarry

cant help but like him

Three TDs have just been elected in Galway West on the same count.

Elected at count 8 were:

Fianna Fáil's Éamon Ó Cuív

Sinn Féin's Mairéad Farrell

Independent Noel Grealish

I'm wondering how significant Grealish being 2nd at the moment is. He overtook O'Cuiv . Would have hoped he'd be eliminated. I thought he was far from popular. Anti-immigration policy holder.
Does it reflect a large amount of right wing shite on the West Side of Galway or what? I think He has picked up quite a bit from 2ary or whatever votes. BUt I don't think it's a very good sign anyway.

hes remarkably popular in one or two specific towns, i doubt he drops ten votes between claregalway and oranmore

id have it as a strongly geographical vote, and while its lamentable that his views dont see him dented, the local TD is a resource almost totally unrelated to his actual politics and this is one of those cases imo

im busy this morning how fuckin dare they

RoI has "succumbed to populism" according to old man Simpson of the BBC!

Saw that, man’s a dim cunt.

Lol Howlin

He said he believed there might be a few weeks of "conditioning" but he believes that Sinn Féin will join forces with either Fianna Fáil or Fine Gael.

If you compare the rise of Sinn Féin to Trump or Brexit and don't mention that a high profile TD made an impassioned defence of migration and asylum, and got his car burnt out by racists for his trouble, you're a hack. Sorry, thems the rules

— Jack Sheehan (@YuleGoat) February 10, 2020

Stealing both a living and oxygen
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EQaRLlJX0AAf44p?format=jpg&name=large

Had to google that headline to see if that was real. Of course it is.

papers can find any opinion they want out there- we can, for our part, choose to focus on those they do or not! fuck em, theres actual interesting matters of substance going on imo why give em the radge.

RoI has "succumbed to populism" according to old man Simpson of the BBC!

― calzino, Monday, 10 February 2020 12:05 (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

arguably

well im arguing it

aside from the list above that michael thinks is "all of above" (the question being yes but to what extent for each, and to what extent will it stick beyond "sick of the other two") obviously having an element of populism

- how else does an opposition offer an alternative to the issues that the govt is failing on ffs?-

its not us "succumbing" to it, its us returning to it. ff were and are an unabashedly populist party and sf have just stolen it from their penitent corpse.

theres worse types of populism than "we'll fix housing" like

i can make head nor tail of what the jack sheehan tweet is saying tbh

is it "trump and nationalism are bad, and racists burning cars out is bad, but this isnt that?"

appreciate a steer!

The latter two are driven by racism, you can argue a lot of things against SF but that’s not what motivates their voters. That fella was elected with a booming majority on the first count btw.

Like there’s a lot of morons going on about how this is (lol) anglophobic or wha, which disregards the much messier reality of the situation.

Wouldn't 'republican' be a better descriptor instead of nationalist? (media here have been using the same word btw)

The former is a term with comes with some baggage, not only in Ireland but in the UK.

Picturing Sammy Wilson's face turning a delightful shade of puce at the electoral success of sinnfeinira.

the correct baggage tho?

thks for clarifying, im a bit lost still but not unhappy

RIP Paul Gogarty not getting elected in Dublin mid west

https://youtu.be/ugailEn8U5o

Deputy Stagg not elected in Kildare either

shurely someone can liveblog the counts lads im dying here

Which ones?


Roscommon-Galway Final Result:

Michael Fitzmaurice (Ind)
Denis Naughten (Ind)
Claire Kerrane (SF)

For the first time since the foundation of the state, Sinn Féin have a TD in Roscommon, and neither Fine Gael or Fianna Fáil are represented in the Dáil. #GE2020

Businessman Peter Casey has been eliminated after the third count in Donegal.

He polled 1,143 first preferences (1.7%) and had accumulated 2,132 votes.

Talliers are saying it is hard to predict where he votes will go and they may scatter across all 8 remaining candidates

There are three seats remaining with four outgoing TD's in contention. It is not expected that any will reach the quota.

the one in Dublin was a "protest" run

losing!

NN how goes it

Well

Laois Offaly has completed a fifth count in the counting of ballots, with just Brian Stanley of Sinn Fein so far returned to the next Dail.

But the distribution of Sol PPP's Stephen Tynan's 2273 votes has given a clear indicaton of the destination of the remaining four seats.

Fianna Fail's Sean Fleming and Barry Cowen are each still just over 2400 votes shy of the 11571 quota, but willl be elected. As will Charlie Flanagan of Fine Gael. The outgoing justice minister is on 7821 votes, after the fifth count.

And the final seat now seems almost certainly to be heading Carol Nolan's direction. The Independent candidate is now 2140 clear of Marcella Corcoran Kennedy - a margin that would appear to be too great to be overhauled, considering the politics of those left in the fight.

Counting is set to continue late in to the day, but it is expected the count will be completed today.

he was special alright

well, looks like Dublin South Central (my neck of the woods) is going to have four left wing TDs. Although O'Snodaigh is a dodgy enough cove

still, feels good man