The Irish

its hard to answer from any one perspective, that

plenty of the electorate not morally repelled by adams/mcguinness (or certainly, in and out of different contexts that effect waxed and waned) post GFA

i dont buy that this suggests a simmering republican core tbh, but i do think that there is a latent willingness in the south to be convinced that the actions and justifications for those actions taken by northern catholics post 1970 can be accepted as sincere/righteous, and that widespread abhorrence within the mainstream of the ROI base of any one or any select several particularly indefensible incidents is no more a full picture of our complex relationship with republicanism than is an often obvious fondness for jarry the grandad figure who brought the provos in and got the guns silenced.

FF rump was stuffed with apologists for the ra throughout, for a start. and certainly they would not be heard proclaiming a total disregard for the cause unless it were expedient in particular circumstance to do so throughout all of haugheys tenure.

post GFA obviously everything changes, and post adams/mcguinness it changes again.

i think kenny was the last leader who would get away with casting those stones as a distraction/frontal assault and make it look sincere, and thats down to temporal factors as much as anything else.

SF are now a political party operating as far as one must treat it as any other legitimate such entity and i dont think that the historical- and i know some of this dirt goes back only as far as 2007, and i know people within the party linger that know things that ought carry more of a stench of cordite, bit hey is that not true of plenty of ppl around the political arena?- questions around this issue are as important to the electorate as you seem to expect.

personally i dont rate them as a party but plenty like what they see and hear from them, and as a third option id struggle to defend the first two getting in because of bogeyman whispers or dire warnings.

xp they have a lot of young voters and a lot of older too, the latter are surprising for that reason.

ime younger people are more strongly republican in their views, even down south, especially if they’re into politics and pay attention to what’s going on in the UK. Very different vibe from my age group, though I would consider myself republican too (not to the extent of voting SF though).

The morality point loses a bit of its strength when you’ve got the British government trying to let on Bloody Sunday wasn‘t a crime.

And not just wasn't but couldn't be, that the asking of the question is shameful.

any rate they havent run enough candidates and c.30 seats seems about likely

i think that progress but serving necessary bench time is pretty much where they are

its very unlikely that FF lead FG into a reversed supply/confidence govt next time around if only because both parties will have to have realised by now that it hurt them both more than it gained em, tho ofc FF needed to wear the sackcloth anyways

leos been a bad taoiseach and coveney will fancy it very soon after the election unless theres an unexpected seat return far ahead of the projected %

I admit I'm not clear what the '(nominally)' is doing there - d'you mean that the division between the political and the actual was in name only?

(to Vast Halo)

ferris alone breaks the winking act tbf

(xp) Yes, that's what I meant. They insisted otherwise, but the fact is that for many years, the same two men headed up both the party and the IRA's army council.

lol

Irish English replaces British English as EU working language - https://t.co/TLE5TSkMDh via @shareaholic

— Tony Connelly (@tconnellyRTE) February 5, 2020

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As it should be.

tairgead achieved

First the spelling, then the syntax
https://i.postimg.cc/xjbDNYY0/6793861-D-89-EE-41-DD-BEE9-5-BDBD57-A63-EF.jpg

Closer to 'avez-vous' so everyone wins.

Irish does have a number of words that originate from French, hardly surprising given the Normans. There’s airgead (money/silver), the old word for church is eaglis, bread is a sliced pan, there’s others but these are the ones I think of immediately. Or maybe just from Latin?

Anyway, here’s what’s happening in the heartlands.

Interesting!

I was thinking more in terms of the syntax, as 'do you have' is actually a bit of an odd turn of phrase from the perspective of Romance languages (and, I assume, others as well). That said, I vaguely recall reading that it was in fact due to the Celtic influence, so the plot thickens...

garsún in Munster Irish = garçon is one I remember xp

gásún/r in the west

I was hoping one of ye would chip in as I thought that but it’s not my dialect!

xps to pom Irish is a VSO language, see more here for syntax info.

I take it back, the Celtic influence re: 'do you...' in English is a hypothesis among many:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Do-support#Origins

always thing german/irish have a lot of the same things going on

Tbf English is a Germanic language. What was that quip? 'French badly spoken by Germans'.

Are you talking about the sign? Cos that’s almost a direct translation from the Irish, and reflects the use of prepositional pronouns in the language.

English is a bastard with many parents!

always thing german/irish have a lot of the same things going on

Bbc Newsnight is doing a report on our election btw, switch over now (it’s not on yet)

im only led to believe, now, i dont speak either tbf

xp no fuckin thanks, anyways im listening to the freeman podcast

I learned German for a few years and can confirm. Would be useful for any language you need to make a coughing up phlegm sound for as well.

“Sinn Féin is the most notable party to British eyes”

I notice he’s pronouncing “Dáil” RTÉ style

MIKHAIL Martin, fuck me this is hard going

tis only yerself puttin ya thru it kiddo

Here’s inside one of Dublin’s new legal bedsits

You can’t open the bathroom door without hitting the bed.

Smaller than a disabled car park space. For €1,300 a month.https://t.co/VSlyiXkdPd pic.twitter.com/sFFfrWFSKe

— Paul O'Donoghue (@paulodonoghue93) February 5, 2020

“As you can see, a nice, compact studio,” said the estate agent..

the O'Donoghue piece in the Murdoch rag is paywalled though the pic and brief summary gives you most of the narrative.

Yeah housing is fucking awful in Dublin. The journal used to run a feature with the worst listings on daft.ie every month.

first time I saw bed sized rooms like that was in London in the 90's. Straight faced estate agent showing me a ground floor bedsit the size of a bed what for you'd pay for a 3 bedroom house in the north. And this was Old Kent Road - so I went to sub Monopoly board areas like Plumstead/Woolwich thinking it might be cheaper and guess what.. it wasn't. Maybe should have gone further SE like Bexleyheath or Erith!

When we lived in London we paid basically nothing for our rent comparatively, but the flat had no front door separating it from the other flats, and the shower was in the bedroom.

that seems an alright standard finish of a place at least tbf, and the single-person renter that needs a place by themselves for whatever reason is badly in need of this type of development (ideally that all the doors could open, fair enough)

course, 400 a month is the absolute fuckin max they should be paying for it, else hang everyone involved.

heh wait, that's a *2* person unit wheres me scaffold

Getting fleeced by landlords, can’t cross the threshold
Wait a minute:
"Where's me scaffold? Where's me scaffold? Where's me scaffold?"

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its alright to say things can only get better
when you havent been a smithfield lettor

Eat natural food baked twice daily
And leftovers again, cos you’re saving
Don't drink tea and don't drink coffee
Stare at your wall and dream of toffee

literally eating toffee rn, no recession here

Ye voting? Love the traditional THE BOXES ARE GOING TO THE ISLANDS story.

Good luck Eire!

Actual eco fascists found!

https://www.facebook.com/380210362718140/posts/669047833834390/?d=n

vote long gone, they clean those registers up pretty fast. surprisingly so considering getting on in the first place involved filling out a for that had been photocopied to the point of illegibility and the process did not exactly suggest administrative efficiency

i have voted

ye can ask if ye like, im all about openness

Who’s going to be the first to post a shot of voting nuns itt?

This changes everything. (via detective pals @eoinwilson and @ewanfromdublin).

A thread.

— Michael Pidgeon (@Pidge) May 24, 2018

vote long gone, they clean those registers up pretty fast. surprisingly so considering getting on in the first place involved filling out a for that had been photocopied to the point of illegibility and the process did not exactly suggest administrative efficiency

Lol at this (surprisingly educational) video!

Voters across the country will cast their ballot in #GE2020 using the Single Transferable Vote, with people able to rank their candidates in order of preference. @news2dayRTE enlisted the help of pupils at Glenbeg NS in Dungarvan to explain the system | https://t.co/Sz3eM8tLPm pic.twitter.com/KpoutPd2rG

— RTÉ News (@rtenews) February 7, 2020