u can do what u like in the bernard thread
― majority whip, majority nae nae (m bison), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:33 (four years ago) link
its all happening
https://youtu.be/7nXH_6o-X7U
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:38 (four years ago) link
Disaster. You get the idea!
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:41 (four years ago) link
https://imgur.com/a/tiBIUgs
Burn MSNBC to the ground IMO
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:48 (four years ago) link
https://i.imgur.com/IWAFzp6.png
lol i saw nina was trending on twitter and loads of people were furious at her
bloomberg branding himself as an anti-trump superhero seems to be working on people who know nothing else about him
― ℺ ☽ ⋠ ⏎ (✖), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:51 (four years ago) link
else about him
― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 02:51 (four years ago) link
Bernie is always already having won
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:13 (four years ago) link
https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/molly-crabapple-sanders-iowa/
https://www.thenation.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Scan004-img.jpg
― j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:14 (four years ago) link
If Sanders does succeed in getting the nomination and his message remains what it has always been since 2016, then the general election will come down to how sick people are of the status quo vs. how frightened people are of the idea of radical change. In the aftermath of 2016, all the punditry said Trump won because people were sick of the status quo. I think 2020 may test that idea very severely.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:35 (four years ago) link
People i’ve spoken to who are of a boomer, millionaire persuasion are worried about Bernie hurting their bottom line via higher taxes and a stagnant stock market. I feel like another 2008 level crash would be the real threat here, and a Sanders administration would aim for a less volatile economy. Not sure I’m right though.
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:48 (four years ago) link
Good they should be worried
― Οὖτις, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:49 (four years ago) link
^^^
also, stop listening to these people, who cares what they think, take it all
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:50 (four years ago) link
At the end of the day, I think we need a more equitable society, a reined in military, and a bold plan to stop climate change so I’m with Bernie. But idk—I am also not sure Bernie really does pose a threat to your average retired doctor or lawyer or whatever
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:50 (four years ago) link
Like how much would taxes actually go up
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:51 (four years ago) link
900%
― j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
tell them Sanders has personally promised that you get to set all their money on fire
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
I mean those ppl should generally worry about their prosperity being tied to a system that reliably manufactures major economic crises every couple of decades.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:52 (four years ago) link
Another point—some of these folks are more afraid of warren.
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:53 (four years ago) link
also good
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link
Warren represents the Traitor to Her Own Class whom the rich in FDR's time also feared.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:54 (four years ago) link
I feel like Warren is deeply misunderstood by a lot of bernie voters and it kind of bums me out. I’m happy bernie is rising, but she’s been a truly great, brave and principled senator, but left twitter sees her as a milquetoast careerist. Rich people, however, seem to know what’s up and fear her.
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 03:56 (four years ago) link
she’s more wonkish and speaks in those terms as opposed to a concrete goalshe has lots of plans! all my wonk friends prefer her. I think presenting complete road maps as a strategy is less effective than a stated goal and a willingness to hash it out. not to mention detailed plans make you more likely to end up in over-compromising as you concentrate more on the integrity of your plan than the actual goal
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:03 (four years ago) link
Bottom line, I just do not believe that Warren would give socialists a seat at the table.
― OneSecondBefore, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:05 (four years ago) link
Warren understands taxation and the financial system at a deep level. General ignorance of that system has always been the sword and shield of the ultra wealthy, who gladly hire the best talent they can afford to manipulate those systems for their continuing profit. Bernie has a gut level mistrust of the wealthy, but would be more at the mercy of his advisors than Warren would be.
On the whole, I'd say Warren's greatest weakness is not where her heart is, or a lack of good ideas, or the courage to pursue them, but that she doesn't communicate her ideas and their connection to ordinary voters as well as Sanders does. She tries her best, but he is better at it. In terms of "electability", this puts Sanders ahead of her. He also would use the "bully pulpit" more effectively. As far as getting results out of Congress, that depends on factors well outside of the scope of the presidential primaries.
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:10 (four years ago) link
I haven't done the math but taxes on millionaire professionals would probably rise somewhat significantly, I would think? I don't see how you could tackle inequality without also taking away from those who have more.
― With considerable charm, you still have made a choice (Sund4r), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:23 (four years ago) link
*cough*
While the very wealthiest taxpayers are hiding roughly 25 percent of their income, the study finds that those in the bottom 99 percent of the wealth distribution avoid taxes on less than 5 percent of their income as a group. If the same pattern holds in the United States, then the well-documented finding that the best off 1 percent of Americans hold 40 percent of all wealth is likely a low-ball number, because of the huge amounts of income-generating assets that many of them are hiding from tax authorities.
https://itep.org/file-under-no-surprise-wealthiest-taxpayers-use-offshore-tax-shelters-more-than-the-rest-of-us-new-research-finds/
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:26 (four years ago) link
also, CUT THE MILITARY BUDGET
Yeah exactly. I don’t think you need to go that hard after the moderately affluent to strongly reorient our system. The billionaires however
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:29 (four years ago) link
Just as an FYI, Bernie's people planned for this and developed their own app for logging results. Assuming the precinct captains are inputting information, Bernie's camp should have accurate numbers even if no one else does. https://t.co/OkeXQr2tI4— Zach Hammer (@zachhammer) February 4, 2020
:)
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
What a clusterfuck.
― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
I have no idea if election ill will would change it, but the chances of Sanders appointing Warren as one of those advisors is really high! Treasury secretary was the rumor.
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:32 (four years ago) link
"I worked hard as a bond trader so that I could live out my dream of being stupid filthy rich, to the point where I could treat a hundred thou as nothing but a joke, but now I'm only kinda rich and I have to watch carefully where I spend my little thousands every week. It's so fucking UNFAIR! Shit. I made out like a bandit as part of a legitimate business career and now those crooks in D.C. want to take it all away!"
― A is for (Aimless), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:33 (four years ago) link
Jesus Christ.
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:33 (four years ago) link
Abt the app.
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:34 (four years ago) link
xps to mh I would love that - esp if she was also VP, as was discussed on ILX a little while ago
― let's talk about gecs baby (sleeve), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 04:34 (four years ago) link
it’d be a refreshing choice as opposed to the attempt to lure a variety of voters in by picking a contrasting VPI had to explain to an older establishment democrat coworker years ago that I had to hold my nose while voting for Gore because, while I was in a swing state and feared the supreme court picks Bush would make, having Lieberman on the ticket disgusted me. he was like “what, old Joe?”too many old Joes
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:07 (four years ago) link
Have u seen this app mh?
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:07 (four years ago) link
What is going on with it?
― treeship., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:08 (four years ago) link
Does this shitshow help or hurt Bernard?
― anvil, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:18 (four years ago) link
I think it’s cool she stuck up for Warren. Also go Bernie
― uncrut gems (crüt), Monday, February 3, 2020 1:59 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink
just wanna say I agree with this post
― k3vin k., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:21 (four years ago) link
When Pete sees Bernie winning pic.twitter.com/vvCvKLsmZj— Eric Allen Hatch (@ericallenhatch) February 4, 2020
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:54 (four years ago) link
Bernie’s camp is releasing the count in ten minutes— Virgil Texas (@virgiltexas) February 4, 2020
― flappy bird, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:00 (four years ago) link
Remember when America said Evo Morales stole the election because they stopped reporting results for a few hours? Good shit, man.— Nobody (@mcyost) February 4, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:01 (four years ago) link
The Bernie campaign is the only one that had a precinct captain in every location. They all took down their results. Its going to come out that Bernie won no matter how much they try to ratfuck us— Krilldozer (@KrillTusk) February 4, 2020
― xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:03 (four years ago) link
oh noes, they have to count all the votes? a bloo bloo bloo, what a shitshow
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:13 (four years ago) link
i specifically said ‘good luck usa’ and yet i still wake up to this shitshow, ffs get it together america
― the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:31 (four years ago) link
we’re sorry, we’re still awake, we’re trying to fix it
seriously though, I have friends apparently doing manual counts to make sure they release solid results in view of all the national attention :/
― babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:34 (four years ago) link
Almost like normal voting
― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:43 (four years ago) link
Caucus data released by Bernie Sanders campaign. #Bernie2020 #IowaCaucuses pic.twitter.com/yTVtBw6YJl— Farhan Mumtaz (@farhanmumtaz) February 4, 2020
― BIG HOOS aka the steendriver, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 06:53 (four years ago) link