not exclude, yes differentiate
― (darraghpc) vs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:57 (four years ago) link
Nah I get it but tomatoes tomahtos, like you said this is mainly just Yr own cry into the void about a peculiarity of Spurs's recent history
― GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
also a pondering of the freezing of these abilities in different circumstances maybe
― (darraghpc) vs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:14 (four years ago) link
Andy Robertson seems an obvious example - clearly the LFC stattos saw something in his form while he was being slowly relegated at Hull, but throughout his first season mostly playing back-up to Moreno, there was nothing to suggest he was capable of eg the cross to Salah vs Man City this season.
― Stevie T, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:25 (four years ago) link
But living in Hull Robertson and Maguire were both recognised and adored at the time, hard to distinguish personal development from playing in a better team at a better standard
― GK Chessington's World of Adventure (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 22:32 (four years ago) link
hmm i think its not tho.
then ofc you have the phenomenon of the career clogger who pulls out a piece of world-class skill/delivery/striking once or twice in a career against spurs and is that a related thing
like, and im rambling now but are there, for instance, players at epl clubs who can genuinely not trap a ball or shoot straight under any circumstances but have physical, positional, game intelligence, whatever abilities that make up for that, or if the worst epl player on a technical basis was dropped into a five a side game would he have silks beyond what we could dream of etc etc
i think about the performance of technique in contact sports a lot btw
― (darraghpc) vs (darraghmac), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 23:50 (four years ago) link
as a fantasy sports player robertson and maguire were more profitable at Hull ha
― nxd, Thursday, 30 January 2020 11:14 (four years ago) link
Henderson is one of those players who has improved through hard work and focus but appears to have near boundless reserves of energy and the discipline and footballing intelligence to play pretty much any role he's asked to. Most players lack that last bit.
Milner is another in that vein but he never possessed the motor that Henderson has.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:37 (four years ago) link
Dembele was 24 or so before being recast as a central midfielder and improved in the role throughout his 20s. The entire system was built around his physical attributes though and Poch never managed to adequately replace him.
Recasting big, fast forwards as central midfielders appears to work pretty well in general, give or take the odd Alan Smith.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:41 (four years ago) link
aw poor alan smith, always felt he was undervalued in any of his many roles tbh
― (darraghpc) vs (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:43 (four years ago) link
It was a result of Fergie only managing to buy one competent central midfielder in the last decade of his tenure.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:47 (four years ago) link
rooney was a rb fyi
― (darraghpc) vs (darraghmac), Thursday, 30 January 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
tanganga was an epl level defender in any position at the moment of conception i dunno if this is relevant
― BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Monday, 3 February 2020 17:21 (four years ago) link