Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

Plus she's had more friendly dinners with Trump than Sanders so I mean...

it's a joke. like most of the rest of her tweets

ted nooooooo

https://i.imgur.com/Uit0Vg1.jpg

in her heart of hearts, she'd like to. to own the Bros. xxp

xp all our heroes end up disappointing us

Brandy is definitely joking.

I don't think that takes away from eephus's point. The joke "works" because it relies on and reinforces her followers' negative opinion of Clinton.

The Biden/Bernie age gap in the Democratic Party continues to be absolutely WILD. Per latest @QuinnipiacPoll Biden wins 5x as many senior Dems as Sanders. Sanders meanwhile wins 17x (!!!) more under 35s than Biden. pic.twitter.com/d0UVsjtYec

— Kristen Soltis Anderson (@KSoltisAnderson) January 29, 2020

Ready for the “Bernie is grooming young voters” attacks

Lol, the seniors have Bloomberg 2nd and Klobuchar 3rd.

Dish of Licorice Allsorts 2020

i can't imagine someone 40 years old supporting biden that sample has to be top heavy

that's some pretty amazing data on both ends -- for it to be really useful wd need more raw numbers (of total voters, how many are in the "younger" tier and how many in the "older"? ) but just by itself it's important imo

shades of the UK's Tory/Labour divide, which is a bit scary tbh

look at those klobuchar numbers tho, she's cracked double figures! it's happening!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EPafOEQWAAId_4A?format=jpg&name=large

i've been told i've got some pretty amazing data on both ends.

(waves sonic screwdriver, stares at results)

*drinks screwdriver, dies*

It really seemed to clear to me three months ago that Elizabeth Warren was perfectly positioned to be taken up by leftists, pussy hat-wearers, Obamanauts, Clintonistas, everybody -- I'm not saying everybody has to love Elizabeth Warren but that the plainly wrong "Elizabeth Warren is actually a Republican" position plus the plainly wrong "Elizabeth Warren is poised to wreck the economy with her radical hare-brained free lunch schemes" position together occupy at least half of the primary electorate makes me profoundly depressed.

Maybe I overstate the case, Warren still does extremely well on the "first choice + second choice" question, for all the good it does her.

I'm at the point where I believe that America will elect a female president only when Joni Ernst runs

Nikki Haley has other ideas, I'm sure.

too brown for her base IMO

(I could be wrong but they turned on Bobby Jindal fast enough)

Bobby Jindal, what a proustian madeleine that name is

Elizabeth Warren was perfectly positioned to be taken up by leftists, pussy hat-wearers, Obamanauts, Clintonistas, everybody

"Everybody" coalitions don't last when the sugar wears off.

It really seemed to clear to me three months ago that Elizabeth Warren was perfectly positioned to be taken up by leftists, pussy hat-wearers, Obamanauts, Clintonistas, everybody -- I'm not saying everybody has to love Elizabeth Warren but that the plainly wrong "Elizabeth Warren is actually a Republican" position plus the plainly wrong "Elizabeth Warren is poised to wreck the economy with her radical hare-brained free lunch schemes" position together occupy at least half of the primary electorate makes me profoundly depressed.

― Guayaquil (eephus!), Wednesday, January 29, 2020

A hairbrained acquaintance on FB tried sassing me Monday night by referring to her as "a Reagan Republican."

"hairbrained" is legit amazing

here's some trenchant for ya: america hates women and extra really hates smart women and extra super really plus hates smart women who are going to change shit

"hairbrained" is legit amazing

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP),

according to the photos, the hair looks like it's growing out of his brain.

to be taken up by leftists, pussy hat-wearers,

I don't wear much hats these days as I keep losing them, but I object to this

not just hairbrained, but bias

here's some trenchant for ya: america hates fears women and extra really hates fears smart women and extra super really plus hates fears smart women who are going to change shit

biden rises to 1 in 2 odds (to win overall) in the 538 forecast
helping mitigate my Iowa overoptimism for sanders

"Everybody" coalitions don't last when the sugar wears off.

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 29, 2020 9:54 AM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

What does this actually mean?

Also, like it or not, the Democratic Party in 2020 fundamentally relies on coalitions. It's a big-tent party: multi-racial and ideologically diverse. It seems self-evident that a candidate who can appeal to a range of factions within the party would be valuable.

three of the constituencies listed in that post are almost a perfect circle in a 2020 Venn diagram, though

let me try again:

when the candidate starts to qualify her formerly full-throated support of M4A, she will lose some supporters and gain others

Yeah that was kind of a dealbreaker!

And I love technocrats.

I don’t know how much my own experience applies to the rest of the electorate but my issue with Warren is less with her policies, not at all with her party ID in the 80s, just that she’s been running an increasingly poor, incoherent campaign. What I’ve seen of her political instincts makes me think she’d be a disastrous nominee against Trump; I don’t think she’d be able to keep Trump from completely controlling what the election is about.

Also foreign policy, I don’t get the sense she has any solid principles there, Sanders is really the only one I’d trust not to put in the same old crew to run things.

fwiw, I finally had a conversation with a relative about the primary that I’d been mildly dreading since they are a former republican and I was pretty sure, and conventional “the party is moving too far left!!!” wisdom would affirm, that it was going to be them selling me on biden. but it was instead largely about how they don’t trust him (they didn’t have a clear favorite, though if I had to guess I’d guess either warren - they didn’t think she could win but did mention her first, unprompted - or sanders, where concern was his age, to which I said everyone was old. but the fact that their least-worst preferences were also the two most progressive is, I think, something, since I doubt this relative is a special unique electoral anomaly in how they think

tl;dr the hand-waving freakoutery about how a progressive can’t win because they’re being progressive is divorced from how non-pundits assess candidates, but we knew that

What the fuck is this. pic.twitter.com/g9Hffw9aQt

— Tania Singh (@TwinklingTania) January 29, 2020

I feel bad for Big Gay Ice Cream.

when the candidate starts to qualify her formerly full-throated support of M4A, she will lose some supporters and gain others

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:45 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Yeah that was kind of a dealbreaker!

― Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, January 29, 2020 10:46 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I feel like a lot of the objection to Warren on this is because she released a detailed plan that called for a transition to Medicare for All, instead of just promising it outright. If M4A is adopted, it will necessarily require a transition of some sort. Perhaps it's the case that the particular policies she proposes make it less likely for M4A to ultimately come to fruition, but I hear that criticism less than the claim that she can no longer be trusted because she's not pure enough on the issue.

yep, and the M4M "farrago" is received wisdom for pundits

pure

*takes a drink*

it she really had to make that pivot for whatever reason, it was her job to do so without making it seem like a retreat/compromise, and she simply didn't do this well enough imho

https://slate.com/business/2019/11/elizabeth-warrens-health-care-medicare-for-all-single-payer-unfair.html

roffling at "big gay ice cream is the best"