is New York City dead?

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there are two kinds of ppl in NYC

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link

yeah the fact that they thought that anecdote about the couple and the cat was brilliant enough to share brought to mind Fran Lebowitz. good riddance to the deeply mediocre and self-important generation of new york transplants who think that complaining about cellphones is clever.

xps

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link

my first nyc apt (illegal loft conversion in east wburg that years later had a bad fire) i thankfully found through cl and only needed deposit + first and he gave a free first month rent. I hadn't found all roommates yet and ph!l0h showed up while I was on the street moving in and ended up living there for several months.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link

it'd be a shame for iatee and unperson to be stuck next to the author on under a train

phil oh, i remember him!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

I JUST realized it was written by the Vanishing NY guy. This all makes so much more sense.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

both my first nyc roommates were through ilx. the other one lasted less than a month before leaving nyc.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link

Actually by that time I had lost my apt so I was couch-surfing and staying w ppl for a month at a time while my stuff was in storage and going apt hunting every weekend, getting ripped off by a broker we had to take to small claims court (and track down his shady as fuck business venture via searchable records to find ties to his dad's real estate company, then home address in Brooklyn Heights, and go there and KNOCK ON HIS FAMILY'S FRONT DOOR to get our money back--his mother cut us a check), and just generally doing shitty. Meanwhile Franklin Ave was getting hype and the hospital reopened as apartments and we just kept losing our bids on apartments. It was a tough 4-6 mos. Being un-housed really freaks me out still today.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link

my challop is it's insane to describe yourself or someone else as a "transplant", who gives a shit where you're from, people move all the time

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link

we're full up and more

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

i know a kelsie who's lived in the east village for five years. not only does she have a cellphone, she's a poseur who never saw the velvets at max's kansas city

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

yeah, like the percentage of people living in any big city that weren't born in the city, or even in the country, is always high. and being mad when some 20 somethings move to a city that you moved to when you were a 20 something is, you know, a bit rich.

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link

yep, just the same kinda change NYC has always seen except for the needle towers for oil sheikhs

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link

nope, apparently it's just old ppl complaining (see above)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

― Yerac, Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:27 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is absolutely the case

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

I lived in Bay Ridge in 1990. I worked in an office on Columbus Circle and had to ride the R train all the way to the end of the line to get home at night. It sucked.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link

Transplants are why we have an economy, i.e. why we are New York City and not Detroit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

hmmm, i think i was the one that used transplants. It seems like he never uses it once in his essay.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link

"implants" is more like it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link

killed by transplants

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mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link

There's not much good about living in a city that no one wants to move to

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link

why (non-rich) people still want to move here is what's confusing me

not leaving was the dumbest mistake of my life

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

yeah i never really understand how people dont see the dissonance between complaining "too many young ppl are ruining ny by moving here" while simultaneously complaining "ny is boring now, the art/creative/whatever scene sucks"

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link

they’re actually just complaining about the fact that they’re not 20 anymore

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link

i don't think moss is bemoaning the quantity of the young people, or the youngness of the people, so much as the quality of the young people. obviously the people who can afford to rent renovated market price apartments in the west village or williamsburg in 2020 etc are going to be nightmare pod people.

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

east village rather. w village ship long sailed surely

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

warhol moved to the city at 21, from suburban Pittsburgh

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link

yeah, he's talking more about the quality of people able to afford to move to ny in the present day. Unfortunately that aesthetic of pleasant sameness and lack of niche interests is available everywhere. internet and globalization.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link

the vanishing ny blog always spoke from the perspective of ‘there’s nothing in nyc worth considering outside of manhattan’.

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

complaining "ny is boring now, the art/creative/whatever scene sucks"

the writer doesn't even seem to go this far -- he's just upset that the 'queers and artists' moved out of the east village and left him behind in the 1990s

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

i moved to the East Village in '89, so by Jeremiah's logic I have seniority over him. So then: if he did not have such a pronounced investment in shaking his fist at the sky Job-style, it would behoove him to realize that it is time for him to go. The neighborhood is fairly or unfairly not for him any longer, and he should move to a neighborhood (perhaps Brownsville or East New York is suitably gritty for him?) or another town. But then, it seems that inveighing on this matter gives his life meaning and he would be lost without doing so.

By my reckoning, the fuckin' EV sucked many many years ago, so I left. Yet Jeremiah and another former ILXor each have a identity built around impotent indignance regarding the neighborhood's former status… I wonder if either have ever attended a communiry board meeting? Not as easy as complaining on the internet, mind…

I know people who laugh heartily at the prospect of the East Village having retained any kind of ineffable bohemian character in the early 90s. And I seem to be recall that Jeremiah is a mental health professional of some sort? I can't imagine a personality less ill suited to offer even tempered, considered counsel…

veronica moser, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link

it's a very fading mentality to stake a place out and then never ever leave.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link

that's BS iatee

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:25 (four years ago) link

felicity lived in the east village in the late 90s.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link

Queens content on his blog 2 weeks ago

https://vanishingnewyork.blogspot.com/2020/01/neirs-tavern-saved.html

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link

"‘there’s nothing in nyc worth considering outside of manhattan’."

god, what an asshole.

veronica moser, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link

i was reading this thing in eater about Taco Chulo in wburg (which I am pretty sure I have never eaten at) closing and they were lamenting that all the hipsters left and now all the families in the condos only want to stay in and order delivery.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:32 (four years ago) link

yes, iatee sure is when he makes up shit

xp

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:32 (four years ago) link

I had dinner there last night incidentally xp

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link

Morbs Jeremiah is pretty open about not having any interest in the New York outside of the borough he chose to be a transplant in, no need to go search through his blog to find the 3% of token outer borough content

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:36 (four years ago) link

sort of like your token participation in Occupy WS

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:38 (four years ago) link

lmao

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:40 (four years ago) link

If only iatee had camped out for another two weeks we’d have full communism today

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:41 (four years ago) link

well he had to go make coffee for Hillary

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

there was still bohemian shit in the EV, i'd say into the early 2000s.. the Slipper Room seemed like the death knell but it wasn't quite the end. You'd still have nights where you could wander through people's apartments, doors open, connected backyards, people passing through. Stereototal washed up for awhile, one of them became a bouncer at Luna Lounge.. a friend of mine had a guitar repair shop on Ludlow. her own shop! on Ludlow! it was never open. She lived on Orchard. I think she moved out in like 2002, 2003? I asked why and it wasn't because they had raised the rent on her yet, it was because she said the neighborhood sucked, the weekends were terrible, just overrun with abrasive douchebags.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:42 (four years ago) link

that's the reason HiFI closed too. It wasn't the rent, the neighborhood just changed and wasn't interested.

Yerac, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 00:53 (four years ago) link

lol I'm sort of mixing up EV and LES.. shows what a new yorker i am these days 🙄

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 29 January 2020 01:18 (four years ago) link


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