Rolling Thread on Race 2020

Let's start this thread right: http://lanthorn.com/73049/sports/inside-the-mind-of-gvsus-newest-offensive-coordinator/

KV: So you graduated from Drury with a degree in History, you’re a history guy. If you could have dinner with three historical figures, living or dead, who would they be? And I’m ruling out football figures.

MB: This is probably not going to get a good review, but I’m going to say Adolf Hitler. It was obviously very sad and he had bad motives, but the way he was able to lead was second-to-none. How he rallied a group and a following, I want to know how he did that. Bad intentions of course, but you can’t deny he wasn’t a great leader.

Stealing this joke from elsewhere and paraphasing: I think this guy has misunderstood his job title

lol

I just realized from reading the comments that today is International Holocaust Remembrance Day, which

this might not be the most sober or serious content for the race thread, but that quote reminds me: I used to live with a Mexican guy with an edgy sense of humor, and he liked to throw one-liners like "why do we always focus on the bad things Hitler did?" around. Some time later I was working as a treeplanter deep in northern BC, and when you're stuck with younger people doing manual labor for hours at a time in the hot sun you find yourself just aimlessly blabbing. So I unthinkingly used the line on a Quebecois co-worker who immediately replied with "I know, right?!" Not my best summer.

Imagine being able to have dinner with Hitler and that that's what you ask him

Adolf, who are your guys?

"I studied history, and-"
"Go study some more."

it's true, how come no one ever talks about how nice he was to Geli Raubal

xps

https://www.theroot.com/high-school-student-expelled-for-smelling-like-weed-des-1841332204

https://www.classicfm.com/music-news/santa-cecilia-bans-oriental-students-coronavirus/

It's not just the US that's fucked

Also, an update from GVSU: http://lanthorn.com/73412/news/gv-suspends-football-offensive-coordinator-following-comments-about-hitler/

Hitler was a shitty leader imo

from the comments:

Coach Berger did not give a wrong answer. Hitler was a great leader. 100% wrong. But almost a whole country followed this lunatic. I find it intriguing Hitlers idea of The Great Race that so many were on the band wagon to join him. How can people now not wonder about that. Hitler was not a Guru or a Self proclaimed prophet just a guy with an idea. Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel.

A leader with an idea and everyone followed. That is the basic answer I think for Coach Berger answer

This is why the existence of "leadership" degrees and programs is a travesty.

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

endless lols

just a guy with an idea

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-01-31/sanders-rivals-biden-for-top-spot-nationally-campaign-update

I guess Booker could have gotten that rule change if he'd been an old white billionaire

Although once Hitlers ball got rolling…. it was hard to get off and rebel

He did as best he could considering he only had one (the other was in the Albert Hall, I believe)

getting a bunch of people to do a thing = great leadership.

Other great leaders include Jim Jones, Charles Manson...

even if you're a morally reprehensible scumbag and worship at the altar of "leadership" like he made tons of dumbass decisions and left Germany in ruins! how hard is it for these dickheads

Shot his dog and then shot himself, that's something to aspire to.

got the order wrong even then

Leadership through pervasive fear and brutal coercion has always been a favorite among aspiring leaders.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/02/03/magazine/henry-louis-gates-jr-interview.html

Then when you actually had the “beer summit,” did President Obama say anything helpful, or was that whole thing pro forma? Oh, that’s interesting. I was at Martha’s Vineyard, and I had been getting instructions from the White House, through Glenn Hutchins. They told me not to wear a bespoke suit. “We don’t want it to be about class.” All of the sudden I was the upper-class black person against the working class. I go, “I’m the victim!” They go, “No, don’t wear one of those suits.” I go: “These are the only suits I have. I’m not going out to Sears and Roebuck and buying a suit.” Then they go, “Do not fly down in a private plane.” Glenn Hutchins owns a private plane. Glenn’s a billionaire. He’s one of my best friends. The only way we could get to Washington was on Glenn’s plane, because there was fog. Anyway, we got to the White House, and we and Sgt. Crowley’s family all got to the library at the same time. I walked over to Sgt. Crowley. He had his kids there, and I said to them: “Hi, I’m Professor Gates. Hope you come to Harvard one day. Maybe you’ll take one of my classes.” Then I said to him, “Can I have a word with you?” He and I went off and did the beer summit ourselves. I said, “Look, I don’t know about you, man, but I just want this to go away.” He goes, “This is a nightmare.” I said to him: “The president has come under attack. Racism’s coming out of the floor. I’m sure you’re a decent person. I forgive you. Let’s move on.” He goes, “That would be the best thing that could happen.” I said, “Maybe we could find a way to lecture about it.” He laughed and said, “Anything I can do to get off the beat.” I realized he was funny. I think that gay people have a sense of who’s homophobic. I think that Jewish people have a sense of who’s anti-Semitic. I definitely think black people — I could walk out there and tell you, “That [ expletive ] is a racist.”

And you’re saying you didn’t get that vibe from Sgt. Crowley? I didn’t get that vibe from him. When we were called into the Oval Office, I said to the president, “Mr. President, we had a great conversation in the library.” He said, “Oh, it sounds like it’s all settled.” The actual beer summit was us doing small talk. And the reason Joe Biden was there is that the Cambridge police had insisted that because there were going to be two black guys at the table, they wanted two white guys at the table! They had sent somebody involved in the Cambridge police structure to be there. As we were walking out to the Rose Garden, somehow that guy got pushed to the side, and Joe Biden jumped in the line. That’s what nobody ever figured out: Why is Biden at the table? He was there to be the second white guy.

man I would LOVE to talk to Professor Gates about this whole shitshow

also biden

kinda not even kidding

Greyhound bus driver otm

Witnesses said a bus driver told an ICE agent to “gargle [his] balls” when the latter requested to enter the bus https://t.co/N1QnEuBLXk

— corpse (@thefurrow) February 22, 2020

I feel like this tweet needs some love

On Wednesday, Camille Gallo, the regional press secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee, which works to elect Republicans to the House of Representatives, tweeted out that the NRCC was trolling McBath over Bloomberg's comments. To drive home that they believed her seat was bought and paid for, Gallo apparently sent McBath a "For Sale" sign with her name on it.

(Lucy McBath is a black Dem representative from GA whose son was murdered via gun violence)

These people are scabrous

Classic projection. Where is the anti-2A funder that could POSSIBLY pay as much as the NRA already routinely does?

that's Bloomberg tbh

https://blavity.com/a-black-georgia-man-going-for-a-run-was-followed-and-killed-by-two-white-men-who-thought-he-was-a-burglary-suspect

What’s so fucked about it, alongside everythingeverything else, is that there evidently needs to be minute-by-minute video of his assassination before there’s enough hackles raised to ... what? Eventually convene a grand jury?

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

the contrast between this innocent man getting chased down and murdered because he "fit a description" of a burglar to the armed racist storming state capitals with no repercussions is fucking insane.

To me, this case speaks so baldly about the inequitable burdens of evidence required to achieve justice a racist system.

The injustice against Arbury, and the fact of innocence, is only made semi-credible when a (mostly white) audience has consumed videos of his violent and unprovoked murder. (Which, like, why?)

Meanwhile, the McMichaels father/son who hopped in a pickup truck to hunt him down during quarantine, wielding multiple weapons, weren't arrested due to an ostensible lack of probable cause, and are now entitled to a Grand Fucking Jury being convened to offer them all possible fairnesses.

Oh, and the lead BBC, USA Today, and Fox articles on the case have JOSEPH BIDEN as the photo at the top of their story.

fuck if there were no video they probably would have treated these guys like hero crime stoppers or some shit.

― (•̪●) (carne asada), Wednesday, May 6, 2020 11:09 AM (forty-six minutes ago)

they were; the atty general initially said it was a clear case of self-defense

that's horrifying.

fucking awful. RIP Ahmaud Arbery. and it's awful having no confidence that justice will be served.

infuriating:

The DA that charged this black woman for felony voter fraud and took her to trial TWICE is the same DA that chose NOT to arrest the McMichaels for murdering Ahmaud Arbery, despite seeing the video of his death. https://t.co/2cor4ezvEJ

— josie duffy rice (@jduffyrice) May 7, 2020

the DA is George Barnhill, why does nobody in the thread name him? He recused himself but damn.
https://georgiarecorder.com/2020/05/07/bookman-waycross-das-judgment-of-brunswick-shooting-video-insane/
https://georgiarecorder.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/05/Barnhill-letter-Brunswick-shooting.pdf

what an absolute piece of shit.

https://www.runwithmaud.com

That's run by Shaun King, isn't it?

A friend of mine wrote this on FB, which is one of the best things I've read this week. (He's not big on paragraph breaks, jsyk.) It's infuriating but it connects and illuminates a lot of things.

https://www.facebook.com/muziqkal/posts/10108399157812305

NEW: 40 People Were Arrested on Social Distancing Violations. 35 Were Black.https://t.co/U7J9X1RNLr
Scoop by @AshleyAtTimes

— Cliff Levy (@cliffordlevy) May 7, 2020

Meanwhile in Los Angeles, the Center Theatre Group - an entertainment complex that includes the Kirk Douglas Theatre and a bunch of other stuff - apparently instituted something they called "staff affinity spaces."

These staff affinity spaces included one for BIPOC rejuvenation, and a separate one for white learning.

This is from an inside source. I am not aware of much more detail.

when keeping it real goes wrong

Sorry, I had the wording wrong. From their website:

"This summer, we launched two ongoing, facilitated staff affinity spaces—a space for BIPOC healing and activation and a white learning space."

https://www.centertheatregroup.org/about/social-accountability/latest-updates/

I can see the good intentions there, because theater has a ways to go on POC inclusion. But I can also kind of anticipate the inevitable blowback on whether these affinity spaces are able to use the same water fountains etc etc etc.

Are white staff required to spend a minimum amount of time in the "learning space"? And who will be guiding their "learning"? What will the curriculum be?

I don't know. Fortunately, like a lot of live theater companies, they also just made a bunch of layoffs. So at least they are avoiding potential overcrowding in the "white learning space."

misread that multi times as "white leaning"

The white leaning space is just a bunch of lampposts, in a room with no chairs.

White people just say "hey, I'm on break. Gonna go and lean on stuff for a while."

"Oh yeah? Well how come there's no white learning space???"

"It's right over there, second door on the left."

"Oh."

pplains, the more likely complaint is "what about WHITE 'healing and activation'?"

And why no "BIPOC learning space"?

Voting for “uncoerced multiracial fuckspace,” is that in there?

I think it’s more like

Oh yeah? Well how come there's no white learning space???"

"It's right over there, second door on the left."

“What?! You’re the real racist!!!”

https://i.imgur.com/1yCDG4l.jpg

two great tastes together at last, like peanut butter and defibrillator gel

lol

Black lives make America great again? Cool.

I need to save this virtuosic Washington Post headline + stub for posterity:

Allegations of racism have marked Trump’s term, becoming key issue as election nears
There is a substantial record of President Trump’s actions that have compounded the perceptions of racism created by his words.

The Copyeditors & Grammar Fiends thread might be equally appropriate; you'd need 3D modelling software to diagram that sentence.

"Trump is Racist" apparently still not playing in peoria

xp this was the post's leading story (on their website) this morning:

https://i.imgur.com/1RxMeNi.png

that's one way to describe it, i guess

Some allege that Trump's fervent promotion of the re-enslavement of African Americans may in fact be racist, but is it fair for us to assert what really lies in his heart?

ffs

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2020/sep/24/investigation-launched-after-black-barrister-mistaken-for-defendant-three-times-in-a-day

I thought this was interesting:

https://www.cnn.com/2020/11/12/opinions/former-white-supremacist-how-to-tackle-hate-buckley/index.html

Wow

https://www.theroot.com/wyoming-congressman-apologizes-for-tweeting-where-the-1845905063?utm_campaign=The+Root&utm_content=1608237779&utm_medium=SocialMarketing&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwAR3zov8r4wCZ-s6HAsqZZGyavBEl8wNpjXmeiF7c4IKRAe2uMOHkNd6Bml8

he is very sorry for the joke he made which he did not really fully intend or understand, a joke which was kind of foisted on him actually, and to the extent that this thing that happened to him may have troubled other people, he is sorry.

Have read that Hitler was a chaotic insecure leader who had his staff intentionally in conflict to stop them plotting against him. So a big influence on t I take it.

Also he was totally deluded about what was happening towards the end. Moving around tank units that had long since been destroyed. I guess at least t didn't quite manage to get the US into War try as he might. But the quixoticism is still pretty high and I'm sure he'll find some more fun over the next couple of weeks.

I mean why concentrate on the negative stuff.

One really good resource on Race I read this year was Angela Saini's book Superior which looks at the history of race science and shows the major flaws. I.e. why it should be viewed with extreme scepticism since it was set up to explain why the white man was so superior and threw out all the little details as to why he wasn't.
She was triggered to write it by seeing a rise in similar thought appearing recently. The book came out in the summer this year.
I also read Bruce Pascoe's book Dark Emu which looked into distortion in the Western view of Australian Aboriginal history and culture. Like if one goes into an occupied area in such a way as to destroy the ecosystem and whatever buildings etc are in it one can so easily con oneself that the occupants are rootless nomads. Particularly when it helps your expansionist ideas.

Current read David Olusoga on various ethnicities brought into the First World War and fighting outside Europe.
Input has been all too readily ignored.

We don’t “complain” of racist treatment. WE RECEIVE IT. Amplify her story. Then do something about it. https://t.co/HJKec1W7pi

— Jessica Isom MD MPH (@DrJessIsomMDMPH) December 24, 2020

I don’t advocate for violence in most cases, but ...

https://www.theroot.com/man-dubbed-mr-teako-after-smacking-n-word-spewing-whit-1845976157

yoooooooooooooo this is fantastic

Damn! Nice!

lol @ smacklemore

Honestly this was so gratifying because I've been in line at a convenience store behind "that racist guy" too many times. Dude will always start out by being a garden variety asshole -- wanting attention, flexing his power by holding up the line and trying to "be funny" ... and nobody gives a fuck, people want to get their frozen pizza, their sale beer, ice cream, doritos, cigarettes, tampons, etc. and get the fuck home. Everyone there was probably already thinking, "this guy is an asshole" and I'm sure at least a few of them were also thinking, "I bet this guy is also racist AF. Is he gonna start on some racist shit?" ... and then, because dude wanted attention and power and an audience, yep, racist AF. Meanwhile, everyone there is having their time wasted by this idiot. ... In summary, Mr. TeaKO -- a true hero.

that video has become THE meme for gen z rn

My god, I wasn't prepared for the impact of the Twisted Tea on dude's melon. Epic af.

Glad this fuck took a few more to the head afterwards.

“I called my wife soon as I got in the car,” he said. “By the time I got in the car and started moving and backed out and got on the road, I’m telling my wife, ‘I hit a guy in the face with a can.’ She’s like, ‘I know. I’m watching it.’ The lady had 5,000 views by the time I drove two blocks home.”

Gen Z? Lol everyone I know is posting memes about it, but Twisted Tea is also very popular with aging punks, so that might explain it.

also baltimore's new comptroller

Happy New Year's Eve!! You made it through the year! Keep it up, by staying home. I mean it! pic.twitter.com/g0GW9MBMy2

— Comptroller Bill (@BillforBmore) December 31, 2020

It’s funny because I feel like there was a moment maybe in the Odd Future era where young millennial whites where just gonna push through and start using that word in a friendly manner. I wonder if this dude came up in that era or is just the regular, timeless asshole

*were

dude lol

I guess young millennial whites like getting beat?

or is just the regular, timeless asshole

the vid makes it clear he's an asshole start to finish

And a big weenie

Loled at how he looked shook before he weakly came at Tea-K.O. after he got hit with the tea.

At the tail end of the video he smiles slightly to himself, as if to tell himself, "I fought a black man and I'm able to walk away - that was so badass of me" when the truth is the black guy could have pulped him, but decided to let his pitiful ass off easy.

It was very much full of “I think I can beat Mike Tyson” energy

props to the beater for recovering and giving a great workmanlike performance after dropping the tea in the beginning

I was wondering if that was an intentional feint or not.

Refusing to consider that prolapsed sphincter’s insane, drunken, racist psychodrama is how I try to maintain any feelings of dignity.

But still the soprano “OKAY!! OKAY!!?!” is p next level.

Didnt look ok bud.