Star Trek: Picard

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Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans? So when they first implied Dahj was his daughter, I was like, cool, he did build another child after all! But then it was revealed Dahj/Soji were only made after Data's death, so the question of why he never wanted another offspring remains. I get it that they didn't want to tie this series too much into old episodes of TNG, but on the other hand, the Picard wouldn't even exist if people weren't nostalgic for that series. So I do hope the following episodes will have some deeper connections to the lore than just fanservicey appearances of TNG actors.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 08:06 (four years ago) link

deeper connections to the lore

i see what u did

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:12 (four years ago) link

Haha, that was actually unintentional!

They did seem to refer to Data/Lore with Allison Pill's weird comment about how androids are always made in pairs... Which I don't recall ever being a thing in TNG, IIRC the Soongs built Data to improve on Lore, not because there was some weird rule that you have to build two?

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 09:45 (four years ago) link

pill seemed to be implying that there was a biological reason for having to grow/build two at once, the ones in question being indistinguishable from human beings down to some level or something

j., Monday, 27 January 2020 10:01 (four years ago) link

Maybe yeah, but it was still a weird comment, because she didn't explain what the reason for building them in pairs was, she just stated it like it was an obvious thing.

Tuomas, Monday, 27 January 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

if i cared enough, maybe i'd go back and see if it made sense how pill started with 'short answer, impossible; long answer, still impossible' and ended up with 'hey, maybe there's two of them'. also seems bad that a dozen romulan assassins can beam onto the roof of starfleet hq undetected, and the mom's ~slip-up~ mentioning picard was really ham-handed. it's fine, still liked it

mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 15:55 (four years ago) link

Also, the references to "The Offpsring" here made me at first excited and then disappointed. Because after seeing that episode, I always wondered why Data wouldn't try to create another daughter after Lal... Obviously losing her was traumatic to him, but in real life people still have kids after losing one, and you'd think traumatic loss wouldn't affect Data to the same extent as with humans?

Data got into serious trouble with SF for creating Lal and only avoided punishment because of what ultimately happened to her. And he probably felt that unless he was able to create another android with better odds of survival, he wasn't going to try again.

Also, there's a quick line where Dr. Jurati surmises that the twins were created by Maddox. Don't know if that's meant to throw us off the trail, though.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Monday, 27 January 2020 18:08 (four years ago) link

Data got into serious trouble with SF for creating Lal

I like how this can mean Starfleet, San Francisco or science fiction, and they all more or less work.

Ned Raggett, Monday, 27 January 2020 18:41 (four years ago) link

I love the costumes in this so much

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

earl grey with no milk is the beverage of a sociopath

it’s highly disturbing

― terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Saturday, January 25, 2020 10:30 AM (two days ago) bookmarkflaglink

earl grey with no milk is delightful

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link

in fact i don't like it with milk tbh

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:42 (four years ago) link

I really enjoyed this even though 'you can't make new androids without Data/but just a single neuron would do/oh they come in pairs' was all rather convenient - I know TNG was all about the handwavey pseudoscience but unlike Discovery it never fully jettisoned logic just to tell a cool story bro. I hope this doesn't end up going that route.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:43 (four years ago) link

I was a bit thrown when the librarian said "the painting is called... Dodger!" - I had thought the girl was called Dahj but maybe it was Dahja, I mused. It later became clear. Rewatched, still sounds like that.

Paperbag raita (ledge), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link

I spent about ten minutes assuming that this meant that Dahja was Picard's daughter

Montegays and Capulez (flamboyant goon tie included), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link

all the tea is upsetting me, tea is horrible and shd not be depicted on-screen

mark s, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link

lol yeah! tea is just some foul aberration for when you've run out of coffee!

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:44 (four years ago) link

Kathryn Janeway otm

calzino, Wednesday, 29 January 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

Now THAT was more like it.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 1 February 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

I think just having a sassy, overqualified Romulan housekeeper question Picard about having all his marbles is all I need to be happy. Though more seriously, it's nice to see that things aren't going to be easy for JL and that other characters are allowed to have their own agendas and personalities.

I'm sure that Starfleet is thrilled about that living arrangement -- and I kind of wonder if some SF intelligence officer thinks that Picard's Romulan friends have turned him.

Also I really liked the Vulcan(?) Commodore.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Saturday, 1 February 2020 22:35 (four years ago) link

I was a bit confused, was she supposed to be Vulcan or Romulan? Because her mannerisms and the fact that she's running the Federation's secret police (presumably built on the foundation of Section 31?) implied she's Romulan, but OTOH there's no indication the Romulan Free State (or whatever it's called) has joined the Federation.

Tuomas, Sunday, 2 February 2020 11:38 (four years ago) link

One, i think she's more specifically intelligence, not Section 31, since she wears gold (ops/security).

Two, I think she's meant to be or pass as Vulcan, since the first thing we see of her is a box with the IDIC insignia, and her stilted speech sounded more Vulcan to me.

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Sunday, 2 February 2020 16:52 (four years ago) link

Pretty sure she's Vulcan

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:03 (four years ago) link

Sorry, mean Romulan

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

Arrgh, fucksake, thought you were on about Laris.

Oh is Romulan pretending to be Vulcan.

groovypanda, Sunday, 2 February 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link

important critical observation: lol data's terrible painting

mark s, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link

lol, proof that having an IQ of 6million maketh not Egon Schiele

calzino, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:48 (four years ago) link

you'd thought at least he would have been capable of doing a super-humanoid pastiche of a good painting!

calzino, Sunday, 2 February 2020 18:50 (four years ago) link

folks, this show is good and i like it, even if narek looks like he should be playing guitar in romulan razorlight instead of doing dick-first spycraft in a decommissioned borg cube

it pleases me that it is now canon that there is a space dublin

the main character Cooly and his fart attack (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 3 February 2020 11:02 (four years ago) link

all paintings in TV shows are terrible and doubly so when they're representational

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:15 (four years ago) link

good arm patches

j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:34 (four years ago) link

My biggest problem w Narek that the dude has a full head of glossy black emo hair & then that NASTY brown facial hair that looks like pube trimmings

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:50 (four years ago) link

since i'm watching ds9 rn too it's really noticeable how the aliens have hairstyles in this. any deep space 9 alien species with hair all has the same gross boring hair, no personality.

j., Tuesday, 4 February 2020 05:52 (four years ago) link

xp I feel personally attacked

caucus fricked iowa account (mh), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link

i thought we had a thread abt paintings in movies but if we do i can't find it -- i don't think it's as cut and dried, as ALL ARE BAD, tho representative ones are all bad (and always look as if they've been painted by the same person as well)

mark s, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link

Do you mean paintings created for movies? Or would Solaris count?

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:15 (four years ago) link

TV show paintings are always bad. Movie paintings vary but if they are part of the plot they are always bad paintings.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link

The case could be made that I need to watch better movies though.

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 18:23 (four years ago) link

ok this topic deserves its own thread, if one does not exist

the public eating of beans (Sparkle Motion), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:01 (four years ago) link

o shit take my money

Homegrown Georgia speedster Ladd McConkey (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link

Is that Harvey? Why is he wearing a belt without pants?!

Charlotte Brontesaurus (Leee), Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:11 (four years ago) link

pooka pig style

mark s, Tuesday, 4 February 2020 19:16 (four years ago) link

new ep is really good, lotta good threads in this story. Also partly for DS9 reasons i love how Picard’s pleading his case hither & yon mostly to ppl who tell him to rack off

(the new pilot dude w the hologram is HOTT)

terminators of endearment (VegemiteGrrl), Friday, 7 February 2020 06:47 (four years ago) link

the actress playing raffi is a fucking nightmare, truly atrocious acting even by star trek standards. on the level of the twi'lek lady from the jailbreak mandalorian episode.

adam, Friday, 7 February 2020 12:00 (four years ago) link

that's michelle hurd

j., Friday, 7 February 2020 16:34 (four years ago) link

someone just informed me that there's swearing on this show and I lol'd

Οὖτις, Friday, 7 February 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link

they solved poverty but not swearing

j., Friday, 7 February 2020 16:47 (four years ago) link

https://i.imgur.com/Z0QpfNj.jpeg

Elvis Telecom, Sunday, 9 July 2023 11:27 (one year ago) link

five months pass...

"the actor, Patrick", said Patrick Stewart

adam t. (abanana), Saturday, 6 January 2024 18:06 (six months ago) link

I remember that Stewart went through a "refers to self in third person" phase in the late 90s or early 00s, maybe this was a deeply buried tic that resurfaced.

Captain Sisko and Ebert (Leee), Saturday, 6 January 2024 19:38 (six months ago) link


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