when Rudy Giuliani is your cybersecurity czar
― don't care didn't ask still clappin (sic), Sunday, 26 January 2020 00:00 (four years ago) link
Republican Sen. Mike Braun said he hopes the impeachment process will “be instructive” for President Donald Trump’s conduct if he’s acquittedhttps://t.co/KJds56rkoe— POLITICO (@politico) January 26, 2020
*bloodcurdling scream*
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 January 2020 22:31 (four years ago) link
it will instruct him for damn sure, that the worst a Republic Senator will ever do is frown at him briefly, no matter who he shoots on Fifth Avenue.
― A is for (Aimless), Sunday, 26 January 2020 22:45 (four years ago) link
Trump Tied Ukraine Aid to Inquiries He Sought, Bolton Book Says
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/26/us/politics/trump-bolton-book-ukraine.html?action=click&module=Top%20Stories&pgtype=Homepage
― Dan S, Sunday, 26 January 2020 23:17 (four years ago) link
trump never even met bolton. i mean, maybe at a fundraiser or something, but
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 January 2020 23:24 (four years ago) link
bolton is a democrat!
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Sunday, 26 January 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
trump is not a racist!
At another point, Mr. Trump, while indulging a familiar lament — that other countries are not trading fairly with the United States — unleashed a tirade against the European Union.“The European Union is a group of countries that got together to screw the United States,” Mr. Trump told his guests. “It’s as simple as that.”Mr. Trump continued: “And frankly, they’re probably worse than China in a sense, just smaller. They’re worse than China in the sense of barriers.”“But the European Union is really bad,” he said. “You know it doesn’t sound like it. You know, the European Union, we’re all sort of from there, right? But the European Union is brutal. But we’re changing that rapidly, too. They can’t even believe it.”
“The European Union is a group of countries that got together to screw the United States,” Mr. Trump told his guests. “It’s as simple as that.”
Mr. Trump continued: “And frankly, they’re probably worse than China in a sense, just smaller. They’re worse than China in the sense of barriers.”
“But the European Union is really bad,” he said. “You know it doesn’t sound like it. You know, the European Union, we’re all sort of from there, right? But the European Union is brutal. But we’re changing that rapidly, too. They can’t even believe it.”
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 00:35 (four years ago) link
“The European Union is a group of countries that got together to screw the United States"
Uh, the United States more or less imposed the European Steel and Coal Community, the original precursor to the EU, on Europe in 1951 during the post WWII era. The European Common Market, created by the Treaty of Paris in 1959, was vigorously applauded by the USA as in complete accord with US interests during the Cold War. When the EU was formed, the USA was ecstatic to see its long-held foreign policy goal of a united Europe coming so much closer to fruition.
― A is for (Aimless), Monday, 27 January 2020 03:59 (four years ago) link
Tangentially as a crossword addict I was intrigued when the ECU (an actual historical French monetary unit) was floated as an EU standard.
But I was frkn _ecstatic_ at the idea of the EMU (European Monetary Unit), purely because I loved the mental image of the European version of Fort Knox: millions of emus strutting cluckingly about, waiting to be employed to do their part in a trade-rich transnational economy.
― Okay, you're an ambulance (Ye Mad Puffin), Monday, 27 January 2020 04:31 (four years ago) link
... are we the baddies?
― StanM, Monday, 27 January 2020 07:14 (four years ago) link
Is there a bombshell counter anywhere online? https://t.co/OuJzRDWUmF— Matt Taibbi (@mtaibbi) January 27, 2020
― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Monday, 27 January 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link
lol Ken Starr is so horrible at this!
― (•̪●) (carne asada), Monday, 27 January 2020 18:28 (four years ago) link
Haha, I guess his non-yelliness is welcome, but I feel like I'm being sermonized by an elderly pastor.
― A perfect transcript of a routine post (Dan Peterson), Monday, 27 January 2020 18:53 (four years ago) link
the Jonathan Edwards of a new generation
― ... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Monday, 27 January 2020 18:58 (four years ago) link
something tells me that trump and every single GOP senator are finding starr incredibly inspiring and insightful, leading them to even more new perspectives on how trump has done nothing wrong
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:02 (four years ago) link
Tuning in to the Democrats last week, I must confess it felt like listening to an evangelical radio station. I can only assume the Republicans sound the same and then some.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:03 (four years ago) link
From what I gather so far the defense is1 impeachment is mean2 everybody agreed on Nixon, not so here
― Suggest Banshee (Hadrian VIII), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:04 (four years ago) link
It's kind of crazy how many people on Trump's team have been involved in covering up for sexual predators. Starr, Dersh, Jim Jordan ...
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
makes sense - how many different things do we experience that involve one person speaking for an hour at a time without commercials, without interruption or interaction by others? it's pretty much impossible in 2020,because anything that can attract mass attention is monetized. sermons and these impeachment proceedings are one of the few exceptions
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:06 (four years ago) link
xp to "I must confess it felt like listening to an evangelical radio station."
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:07 (four years ago) link
both pastors and ken starr would look better if they put a giant Pennzoil logo running down their armsleeves
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:08 (four years ago) link
also if they were struck by lightning mid-sermon.
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 19:12 (four years ago) link
BREAKING:
Sen. Pat Roberts (R-KS) said that he had been reading “Gone with the Wind” when I asked what he thought about the weekend’s Bolton news, but added that it “remains to be seen” whether the Senate should hear from Bolton.
When asked why wouldn’t the Senate want to hear from a firsthand witness, Roberts conceded that “that’s a good question.”
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:18 (four years ago) link
Has anyone thought to just...ask McConnell why he wouldn't allow witnesses? I'll bet it's a thing he just hasn't really thought much about and if you asked him he would just get real pensive with like a faraway look as the notion finally sank in for the first time. 'Huh...why wouldn't we allow witnesses?'
― Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:28 (four years ago) link
update: 50% achieved, 2 targets remain
Democrats, who control 47 votes, need the support of four Republicans to effectively commandeer the trial and force the Senate to consider calling witnesses. But of the four Republicans who have suggested they are open to doing so, only two — Susan Collins of Maine and Mitt Romney of Utah — said on Monday that the Bolton report persuaded them that witnesses were needed.A third, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, said he was “curious,” but was otherwise noncommittal. The fourth, Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, was similarly vague.
A third, Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, said he was “curious,” but was otherwise noncommittal. The fourth, Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee, was similarly vague.
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:33 (four years ago) link
of course, you gotta watch out for Manchin, who may need to vote with republicans now so that he can have the advantage in his re-election in 2024, so that perhaps in the future he can be there to vote with democrats during important votes
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link
It's all just so nakedly debased. Like a detective showing up to work with a shiny new lunchbox and saying, nah, we don't need to investigate that lunchbox warehouse heist, it'll work itself out. I'm talking one of those lunchboxes with the full-size canteen and everything.
― Dr. Teeth and the Women (Old Lunch), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link
2 likely not possible because no one wants to be 51. it will be more than 51 or fail.
― 𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Monday, 27 January 2020 19:51 (four years ago) link
operation "two birds with one stone"
we're gonna need a miracle
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:01 (four years ago) link
It's a relief to finally see the NYT run "GOP in Disarray" headline.
― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:02 (four years ago) link
these op-ed writers in the NYT seem to believe there's a better way:
Yet Republican members of the Senate have signaled that they intend to uphold Mr. Trump’s unprecedented decision to block all of this material.But it turns out they don’t get to make that choice — Chief Justice John Roberts does. This isn’t a matter of Democrats needing four “moderate” Republicans to vote for subpoenas and witnesses, as the Trump lawyers have been claiming. Rather, the impeachment rules, like all trial systems, put a large thumb on the scale of issuing subpoenas and place that power within the authority of the judge, in this case the chief justice.Most critically, it would take a two-thirds vote — not a majority — of the Senate to overrule that. This week, Democrats can and should ask the chief justice to issue subpoenas on his authority so that key witnesses of relevance like John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney appear in the Senate, and the Senate should subpoena all relevant documents as well.
But it turns out they don’t get to make that choice — Chief Justice John Roberts does. This isn’t a matter of Democrats needing four “moderate” Republicans to vote for subpoenas and witnesses, as the Trump lawyers have been claiming. Rather, the impeachment rules, like all trial systems, put a large thumb on the scale of issuing subpoenas and place that power within the authority of the judge, in this case the chief justice.
Most critically, it would take a two-thirds vote — not a majority — of the Senate to overrule that. This week, Democrats can and should ask the chief justice to issue subpoenas on his authority so that key witnesses of relevance like John Bolton and Mick Mulvaney appear in the Senate, and the Senate should subpoena all relevant documents as well.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/27/opinion/john-roberts-impeachment-witnesses.html
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 20:07 (four years ago) link
trump lawyer finally getting down to the burisma/hunter biden details now
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 21:42 (four years ago) link
The Biden/Burisma thing is just so perplexing. Even if everything the Trump people have intimated is true, so what? How does that exonerate Trump? What does that have to do with Trump? Have they ever even given a shitty reason for investigating Biden? It's all so Lionel Hutz. "Hunter Biden got a job at Burisma. Burisma! Ergo, we kept hundreds of millions of dollars from Ukraine because they didn't investigate him. I rest my case."
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:11 (four years ago) link
It's not so perplexing when you consider they don't have to defend Trump, just provide enough cover for the Senate to acquit without too much damage. Muddying the waters and both sidesing it may be their best option.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 27 January 2020 22:15 (four years ago) link
Sen. Patrick J. Toomey (R-Pa.), an influential conservative in the Senate, has spoken with several colleagues in recent days about possibly summoning just two witnesses to President Trump’s impeachment trial, with one called by Republicans and one by Democrats, according to three Republican officials.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/toomey-proposes-a-one-for-one-witness-deal-in-trump-impeachment-after-bolton-revelations/2020/01/27/ec405d5c-414b-11ea-aa6a-083d01b3ed18_story.html
― jaymc, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:16 (four years ago) link
i dare the republicans to call rudy
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:17 (four years ago) link
Is Collins still able to pull that little stunt? I thought the way she always caved on every bluff kind of undermined her credibility.
Stuck on the Republican show and tell for the last half hour so missed Starr. Did i miss anything? Sounds from what I'm hearing now as though its just been doubling down on wghat in normal circumstances would be long since debunked irrelevant stories.
Is your America broken?
― Stevolende, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:18 (four years ago) link
Even if everything the Trump people have intimated is true, so what?How does that exonerate Trump?
it doesn't. the president is accused of holding back taxpayer funds to a military ally for a personal political favor. the biden stuff is immaterial to the thing trump is being accused of. they know that.
What does that have to do with Trump?
because most people don't care about the technical, legal scope of the accusations or proceedings. it's more about the perception of right vs wrong, who is corrupt, who is fighting against corruption. trump's lie has already resulted in a bunch of people who think that trump was acting patriotically in ukraine to expose the corruption of the bidens (and by extension, all evil democrats). but the real value in muddying the waters is in all the other people who reduce the whole impeachment down to "it's trump vs biden, and they're both wrong" or "i don't know exactly what's happening, just that it involves biden and trump and biden's son"
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Monday, 27 January 2020 22:20 (four years ago) link
They are hoping to create enough smoke so that when Russia hacks a trove of Hunter Biden's personal emails, that the media will play along again.
― Frederik B, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link
yes?
― mookieproof, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:22 (four years ago) link
was gonna say, what kind of question is that
― Miami weisse (WmC), Monday, 27 January 2020 22:39 (four years ago) link
My America has a first name, it's "B-O-L-O-G-N-A."
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 22:44 (four years ago) link
Would just think that if this was an ideal healthy situation, basing your entire legal argument on an already exposed lie might equate to contempt of court or something.
But since it seems to be being allowed to stand things might just be a little warped. Like.
― Stevolende, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:34 (four years ago) link
I start watching...and hit the couch and fall asleep. Anyway, caught about an hour while making dinner. Are they going to impeach Obama? Do they have the votes?
― clemenza, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link
Obama out of the White House now!!!!
― Josh in Chicago, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:43 (four years ago) link
trump's lie has already resulted in a bunch of people who think that trump was acting patriotically in ukraine to expose the corruption of the bidens
honestly I kinda doubt too many of them even buy that line. I think a lot of them see it as the overtly political move that it obviously was and that you have to make the "it's about exposing corruption" argument for posterity, much in the same way a person can dodge taxes by being semi-honest in ways that are semi-legal. they don't care if Trump breaks the rules because politics is like sports to them
― frogbs, Monday, 27 January 2020 23:58 (four years ago) link
aaaaaaand here comes dershowitz!! class act!!
― But guess what? Nobody gives a toot!😂 (Karl Malone), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 00:50 (four years ago) link
please die on camera, and then fall face first and land in McConnell's lap
― ... that's Traore! (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 00:51 (four years ago) link
and repeat, like dominoes
i'm surprised that i haven't been riveted by this
― treeship., Tuesday, 28 January 2020 01:36 (four years ago) link