END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

rogan sucks ass and bernie's camp emphasizing the endorsement is lame. i am a little bummed about it.

^^ best take yet imo

i really don't know this Rogan guy, but Maher seems approximately as vile and I believe he supported Sanders in the '16 primaries

Rogan is seemingly one of the dumbest, most credulous people on Earth, he will believe anything the person in front of him says with authority

100%. Rogan is as dumb as a rock, pervesely this can make him a good interviewer. Though on occasion some right wing balloon (Dave Rubin, Candace Owens) is exposed for being too dumb eveb for Rogan. He's kind of inadvertently Socratic

I think AOC is supposed to be going on later this year also fwiw

Wonder if he would have ContraPoints on

I'm pretty sure he would (assuming her metrics/reach are sufficient), it's more about whether she would want to put up with any more controversy

She has run into her own troubles of late true.

xxxxxp I apologize for minimizing anyone's concerns about this, and although I've never listened to an episode of Joe Rogan* I absolutely believe you that he is transphobic (I also haven't been able to click through the links posted above at work) and absolutely understand why his presence would make you uncomfortable.

*I did watch one Rogan clip on youtube once -- it was Jordan Peterson talking very earnestly about how some cider caused him a bizarre months-long illness and it was hilarious.

fwiw, I don't love the fact that some of his surrogates have ties to Farrakhan, who is genuinely a virulent and hateful open antisemite. I'm less bothered by it because obviously Bernie is not antisemitic, and I hope he's not transphobic either.

I struggle with criticisms of "his supporters" or "his base" because that's such a nebulous concept. Unless you're literally talking about people on his campaign, it's just whatever random individuals on the internet profess support for him for any reason whatsoever, as well as occasional trolls, bots, etc.

I think we can all agree that fear ... is definitely not a factor for Bernie

Presidential politics is weird and messy and people support candidates for all kinds of reasons. Bernie has some "crossover" support. I don't think that reflects on him so much as just on the way a lot of less politically involved people choose their candidates.

Why does Sanders get this benefit of the doubt when literally no other candidate does?

ftr I don't think Bernie Sanders is an edgelord but it's really fucking infuriating when shit that would make you guys throw literally any other human being running for President out of a window gets dismissed as "oh well that's just politics *shrug*"

y'all are like Buttigieg supporters

because all the other candidates ... are bad?

I mean, also, like, the election of Trump basically shattered the illusion that all the piddly news blips and gaffes and nonsense are all just B-plots and the vast majority of voters don't really care about anything but the issues and/or the stuff that affects them directly

I don't think the reaction would be much different for anyone else appearing on the Rogan show. He's a dumb guy with a lot of awful guests, but it's not the Fox News White Power Hour.

Howard Stern is pretty disgusting too and Hillary went on that show. #whatabout

Why does Sanders get this benefit of the doubt when literally no other candidate does?

iirc Warren gets the benefit of doubt about a lot of weird and bad shit she's said and done!

I mean Whiney why don't you just cut the shit and call Powell a nigger on Twitter

*aren't (xpost to me)

Other candidates trying to get on the show indicates that it isn't automatically seen in a negative light.

I mean Whiney why don't you just cut the shit and call Powell a nigger on Twitter

― totally unnecessary bewbz of exploitation (DJP), Friday, January 24, 2020 2:54 PM (six seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

I called him a "war criminal," which should ideally imply and signal vast amounts of capital and power, i.e., the exact *opposite* of what that word represents?

Howard Stern's AIDS "jokes" from the '80s seem forgotten

Calling Colin Powell a war criminal has the added bonus of being absolutely correct.

Why does Sanders get this benefit of the doubt when literally no other candidate does?

citation needed. sure, kamala didn't get the benefit of the doubt. nor did the other candidates of color, but there are several white candidates still running who get that benefit fairly often, iirc.

yeah like with pete we give him the benefit of the doubt that he didn't order the bread price fixing he just carried it out or he probably isn't actually a member of the CIA only an asset

the best argument against Pete being CIA is that he def would have found some way to stick it on his CV

CIA asset? bit of hyperbole there, mordy

Anyway all this Rogan talk means we're overlooking Justin Jackson's endorsement!

the best way I can describe the reason why Sanders gets the benefit of the doubt from me is that of all the candidates he has remained absolutely clear and consistent in the message he wants to deliver about his goals, over two consecutive presidential election cycles - by any measure. more so than any other candidate, including Warren. whether Sanders can deliver on his goals may be fairly doubted, but what those goals are is not really a question.

The doubts that Sanders' opponents are trying to raise about him are based not on anything he has said or done - or rarely so - but look instead to raise questions about the goals of certain people who openly back Sanders, implying that if these supporters have such goals they must believe Sanders shares them, and shouldn't we wonder whether Sanders has a hidden allegiance to these goals? They further state that, unless Sanders explicitly repudiates those supporters based on their having questionable goals, he has implicitly endorsed those goals.

To put it baldly, that's horseshit. Sanders needs votes so he can carry out his goals. If the voters that put him over the top are people who will be disappointed in his politics it won't be because Sanders misled them. He has been pretty damn clear about his priorities. Those are what we need to judge him by, not by tallying how many idiots choose him over the other candidates. The idiots distribute themselves pretty widely, for idiotic reasons of their own.

booming post

sure but also dont retweet bigots like joe rogan

So many gems in @BernieSanders' back catalog. This riff on the consolidated corporate media's role in isolating & demoralizing American workers is from a 1998 @UAW Community Action Conference. pic.twitter.com/lWnRsxz5NE

— Every nimble plane is a policy failure. (@KindAndUnblind) January 23, 2020

i guess when you look that old in your mid-50s you don't have to worry about changing too much

https://web.archive.org/web/19970428081932/http://www.house.gov/bernie/

graphic design is his passion

are rogan's listeners mostly trump voters?

Are rogan listeners even voters?

it's one of the most popular podcasts in the US (and the rest of the anglophone world, possibly beyond). if you know a millennial normy man there is a decent chance he has listened to the show at some stage

I only really know him for the one time Elon smoked weed in his show and the memes that came from
It.

Liberals Say Sanders’s Acceptance Of Rogan Endorsement Sends Dangerous Message He Trying To Win Election https://t.co/QqDVl0SoWj pic.twitter.com/r8GrXBHvN9

— The Onion (@TheOnion) January 24, 2020

hahahahahahaha

i am not in favor of the campaign re-tweeting him, nor am i a rogan fan, but my impression of his audience is they are malleable as hell, total mushbrains. which is of course why his transphobic remarks and vast number of shitty guests is so dangerous. but i do not think rogan saying he will vote for bernie means any meaningful influx of transphobes into his campaign. i watch a lot of youtubes. my experience tells me the algorithm is going to be recommending more left-wing stuff and less jordan peterson to his viewers. i hope, anyway.

he trying to win election

bro jogan

til the end of my days i'll never understand JR's draw. there's tons of kinda dumb kinda of boring normie shit where i'm like 'hey not for me, but sure, i guess i see why it's a thing'. Rogan is not one of those things.

I’ve heard more about Joe Rogan in the last twelve hours than I have in the last decade and I work with a bunch of male millennials

Prior to the decade my friend’s boyfriend worked at UFC and occasionally heard about him being “enthusiastic”

if you know a millennial normy man there is a decent chance he has listened to the show at some stage

I listened to one episode in November 2013, where do I report for my cancelling

also that totally looks like Mark Proksch doing an unconvincing Bernie impression on Bernie's 1997 webpic

any dems not cancelled yet?