Drink full: The TWIN PEAKS 2017 spoiler thread, part 2

i mean we'll never know, so it's a disappointment that i'll never actually have, but theoretically if lynch came out and was like "oh yeah the return is about this" (which he clearly will never do) then i would be sad.

but that’ll never happen

I share the skepticism of explainers, but there is a LOT of stuff about energy, waves, air, transmission and so on which is pretty obvious when assembled into a framework. For me it doesn't preclude the work from having a wider symbolic and artistic resonance, and by reducing the apparent arbitrariness of some elements it makes the work admirably focused. I didn't swallow it whole but I was impressed enough to finish it, albeit at 1.5 speed across a couple of weeks.

dammit, I'm totally going to watch this Youtube video

it's about electricity

don't ask me about judy, though

I rewatched part of Fire Walk With Me last week and imo it sets out a lot of the groundwork and creates a blueprint for the series as a whole. When you take it and The Return together, the original series seems like a piece of the puzzle that happens in the middle, with some of the season two hijinks fading away in favor of the story elements that are continued and brought to the forefront

Freddie punching BOB into oblivion feels to me like an absurd statement on the futility of 'defeating' evil, undermined as it subsequently is by a more literal depiction of that futility (Coop having preemptively (re)solved the murder of Laura and, in the course of doing so, having essentially unraveled her existence).

^^^ i like that

we can't undo trauma

You can't unfry things, Jerri.

I don't know if it was Lynch's decision or Showtime's to air the last two parts back to back but people would likely have been uneasy for a week about how things were wrapping up before seeing that tonally different ending.

lol @ OL

we live inside of a dream

I rewatched part of Fire Walk With Me last week and imo it sets out a lot of the groundwork and creates a blueprint for the series as a whole. When you take it and The Return together, the original series seems like a piece of the puzzle that happens in the middle, with some of the season two hijinks fading away in favor of the story elements that are continued and brought to the forefront

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yeah, i can definitely see this. i understand the other comments, and also what lynch has said many times, that it's not like this is all a puzzle that lynch/frost have the answer to, or whatever. but yes, taken as a whole, the OG twin peaks series really seems like an extended dream/alt dimension that takes place in cooper's mind. the OG twin peaks is kind of the the Invitation to Love to whatever the "real" world of Coop is

btw, i know i raved about it upthread (or in some thread) but the extended Invitation to Love scenes that are available on some box set or the other are some of the most enjoyable twin peaks material out there

I like reading people's theories but have no use for any insistence that a given take is the definitive one. Lynch leaves too many loose ends lying around (deliberately so), there's always something that doesn't fit into a given interpretation/explanation.

yeah for sure! as with mulholland drive and inland empire, i enjoy the theories and stuff, but not because any of them are "right" but more because they offer different ways to view and enjoy the work (sort of like good music criticism)

The word “explain” is such a turnoff lol

like that piece upthread that dan selzer posted is fantastic, really sharp, made me see various things in a different way, etc. Love it.

At the same time, I found myself thinking "wait, if the original series season's are all Cooper's guilt-induced fever dream, why is there all that crap that has absolutely zero to do with Cooper or dead-girl-guilt like the whole Ben Horne/Ghostwood/the Packard Mill storyline?" Lynch's work always has things like this, little forking paths or tangents that suggest an alternate reading to whatever one you're currently enamored of.

the Winkies/dumpster monster in Mulholland Drive is another one that doesn't seem to have anything to do with the most commonly accepted interpretation of the film. And that's one of the film's best moments!

My one real lingering curiosity about Lost Highway (which I will steadfastly insist is his weakest film) is Lynch explicitly stating that it's set in the same 'universe' as Twin Peaks. Like what do we even make of that when the 'universe' of Twin Peaks seems so multivalent and malleable.

nah Wild at Heart is his worst

I dunno about 'universe' but there's some obvious thematic linkages between Twin Peaks and Lost Highway and then on through everything he's done since - dreamworld doppelgangers adrift in sex and violence etc

WaH has some amazing sequences but I find it kind of hard to watch

xxpost Tied for last, at the very least. Fuckin' Gifford. The Eugene Landy of Lynchdom.

hahaha

i rewatched lost highway a few weeks ago. it's definitely not his weakest, and it's absolutely his scariest

there's a saxophone quotient that should be taken into account when rating his work

Scariest LH scene imo

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the OG twin peaks series really seems like an extended dream

before you came here, twin peak was a simple place. my brothers sell drugs to the teenagers and truck drivers. one-eyed jack's is open to the businessman and tourist. quiet people living quiet lives. then, a pretty girl die. and you arrive. and everything change. my brother bernard is shot and left to die in the woods. a grieving father smothers my surviving brother with a pillow. arson. kidnapping. death. destruction. suddenly, the quiet people here, they are quiet no longer. and the simple dream? it become a nightmare. maybe, i kill you, you will be the last to die. maybe, you brought the nightmare with you. maybe, when you die, the nightmare end.

the whole Ben Horne/Ghostwood/the Packard Mill storyline

I CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE OF THIS!!! BOXES WITHIN BOXES!!!

Is difficult listening hour part of the Twin Peaks universe?

https://i.imgur.com/TC7jhTH.jpg

Is this real, Ben, or some strange and twisted dream?

all i did was come for a funeral!

laurie anderson is definitely park of the twin peaks extended universe

xpost love that bowie pic

Incidentally my from z to a box arrived this week, on lynch’s birthday no less. #21,350/25,000 (the nerd in me wishes they had produced just one more set)

Haven’t had any time to watch at all but I’m playing the complete roadhouse performances while tidying my flat. “Ladies and gentlemen, the roadhouse is proud to welcome... Hudson Mohawke”

circa the mid 00s i watched a performance of hudson mohawks's bad hip hop duo, who were supporting caribou, and i was like 'ha, this is bad', feeling all superior. fast forward a decade and a half and he has production credits on a kanye west album and appears on an episode of twin peaks. karma got me

I expect many ppl experienced this karmic whiplash at the Michael Cera appearance as well (not I, whomst has always had love and respect for Mr. Cera)

"juicebox"?
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xpost Nah, I expected and got great results from Cera, as always.

lol jim

tbf he’s only in it for like 45 seconds as the kind of thing that plays when you’re on bad drugs and have a nasty armpit rash but... I’d take it

my z to a CERTIFICATE OF YTICITNEHTUA's #14,701. was two eps away from the end of a rewatch of the return when it arrived; immediately stopped and restarted at the original pilot lol. basically, the luminosity of the moment before death shone, but i did not recognize it, and so, i have to wander here

https://happymag.tv/david-lynch-releases-two-singles-with-same-monkey-from-his-short-film/

btw, i thought that short was actually pretty good and funny! i was surprised because while a vein of lynch's sense of humor runs through all his work, i usually haven't enjoyed the things that place it at the forefront - on the air, the cowboy and the frenchmen.

my GOD, Audrey's reintroduction scene was as bad as I'd heard.

Any theories on what's happening there?

Lots

should I watch this for a third time? I should

I see on Wikipedia that Chrysta Bell's voice and musical style are described as “ethereal” and “sensual”.

From my observation, her acting style is "nonexistent".

audrey's stuff pays off miraculously but i def was like "wtf is this shit" on contact