is New York City dead?

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The last time I was in a Fairway (UWS) was to get ingredients for a meatball lasagna my friend was going to teach me to make. That lasagna was like $60 in ingredients but it was f'ing delicious. TOP LASAGNA.

Yerac, Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:46 (four years ago) link

balducci's (rip)

There are still a few left iirc

one in the city and a few in the suburbs

culture of mayordom (voodoo chili), Thursday, 23 January 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link

Since my longtime landlord sold the eight-unit building to a mysterious corporate entity a few years ago, there’s been a revolving door in the apartment next to mine and the one below. The turnover happens every summer. So far, maybe because young men are known to be destructive, the new owners have only admitted young women, with one exception. By design, none of them stays for more than a year. The East Village is just a way station, empty of significance. My young friends who are queers and artists have never set foot in this neighborhood. It’s irrelevant to them. When I tell them I live here, they look confused. Why would you want to live there? The East Village is nowhere.

https://nplusonemag.com/issue-36/essays/open-house/

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link

what a drag it is getting old

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:00 (four years ago) link

or living in a dead, unaffordable city

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link

with an utterly marginalized arts community

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link

I read that open house piece an hour ago and I am still mad about the door slamming.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:10 (four years ago) link

what an obnoxious article. yes, a neighborhood with 20 year olds is likely to have an increasing number of people named Hayley. they might even use amazon and have smart phones.

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:34 (four years ago) link

here's an obnoxious mayoral hopeful for you, whose words i feel viscerally

https://www.ny1.com/nyc/all-boroughs/politics/2020/01/21/eric-adams-slams-gentrification-in-speech-says-go-back-to-iowa

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:37 (four years ago) link

yes, as someone who was of course born and raised in New York, you are one of the few with a birthright

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:39 (four years ago) link

lol non-obnoxious iatee

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link

they might even use amazon and have smart phones.

so fuck them and their shitty jobs and 5 to an apartment idiocy

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:41 (four years ago) link

I thought the piece was very well written but there is something about being mad new transplantees not adapting to where they move and old transplantees not adapting to new environments. I was only mad about the door slamming. Always terrible. All neighbors are terrible.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:57 (four years ago) link

I don't post tweets but this really spoke to me yesterday.

Someone: Im in town!

New Yorkers: OMFG!! That’s so great! Have fun!!!!

Phillip Henry
@MajorPhilebrity

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 19:58 (four years ago) link

I have friends whose apartment gets a steady stream of friends across the nation staying with them and all i can think is WHYYYYY

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:04 (four years ago) link

That article would be hilarious if it was a short story. The author really captures the voice of a motherfucking lunatic you'd pray not to be stuck next to on the subway.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:05 (four years ago) link

what is their deal??? (xpost)

I have a formula on people staying with me depending on how well I know them, like them, how long they want to stay, what their plans are, if they are familiar enough with nyc.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:08 (four years ago) link

Idk I have time for that article. I kinda felt that way 10 yrs ago while trying to get an apt anywhere in Pros/Crown Heights but we kept losing to younger ppl than us with more "liquid assets" than us, and parents who took them on tours of refurbished bldgs while asking why there wasn't a doorman. It was painfully alienating and I really felt it as a personal failure even though I knew that those 22-yr olds weren't putting down their own 4 months' worth of first+last+dep+fee. It still felt like my failure to be one of them was being aired all around me and my grubby self whose apt was furnished with "finds" and hand-me-downs. It felt like a different world.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:09 (four years ago) link

there are two kinds of ppl in NYC

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link

yeah the fact that they thought that anecdote about the couple and the cat was brilliant enough to share brought to mind Fran Lebowitz. good riddance to the deeply mediocre and self-important generation of new york transplants who think that complaining about cellphones is clever.

xps

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:13 (four years ago) link

my first nyc apt (illegal loft conversion in east wburg that years later had a bad fire) i thankfully found through cl and only needed deposit + first and he gave a free first month rent. I hadn't found all roommates yet and ph!l0h showed up while I was on the street moving in and ended up living there for several months.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:15 (four years ago) link

it'd be a shame for iatee and unperson to be stuck next to the author on under a train

phil oh, i remember him!

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

I JUST realized it was written by the Vanishing NY guy. This all makes so much more sense.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:17 (four years ago) link

both my first nyc roommates were through ilx. the other one lasted less than a month before leaving nyc.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link

Actually by that time I had lost my apt so I was couch-surfing and staying w ppl for a month at a time while my stuff was in storage and going apt hunting every weekend, getting ripped off by a broker we had to take to small claims court (and track down his shady as fuck business venture via searchable records to find ties to his dad's real estate company, then home address in Brooklyn Heights, and go there and KNOCK ON HIS FAMILY'S FRONT DOOR to get our money back--his mother cut us a check), and just generally doing shitty. Meanwhile Franklin Ave was getting hype and the hospital reopened as apartments and we just kept losing our bids on apartments. It was a tough 4-6 mos. Being un-housed really freaks me out still today.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link

my challop is it's insane to describe yourself or someone else as a "transplant", who gives a shit where you're from, people move all the time

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:20 (four years ago) link

we're full up and more

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

i know a kelsie who's lived in the east village for five years. not only does she have a cellphone, she's a poseur who never saw the velvets at max's kansas city

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:21 (four years ago) link

yeah, like the percentage of people living in any big city that weren't born in the city, or even in the country, is always high. and being mad when some 20 somethings move to a city that you moved to when you were a 20 something is, you know, a bit rich.

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:23 (four years ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link

yep, just the same kinda change NYC has always seen except for the needle towers for oil sheikhs

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:26 (four years ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link

nope, apparently it's just old ppl complaining (see above)

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link

i think all major cities are having the soul sucked out of them by ultraluxury condos and shell company foreign investors.

― Yerac, Tuesday, January 28, 2020 12:27 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this is absolutely the case

frederik b. godt (jim in vancouver), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:34 (four years ago) link

anybody who's never lived here has nothing to say, sorry

I lived in Bay Ridge in 1990. I worked in an office on Columbus Circle and had to ride the R train all the way to the end of the line to get home at night. It sucked.

shared unit of analysis (unperson), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

GREATEST CITY IN THE WORLD

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:44 (four years ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:46 (four years ago) link

Transplants are why we have an economy, i.e. why we are New York City and not Detroit.

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:47 (four years ago) link

hmmm, i think i was the one that used transplants. It seems like he never uses it once in his essay.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:53 (four years ago) link

"implants" is more like it

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:55 (four years ago) link

killed by transplants

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— TalkRadio 77 WABC (@77WABCradio) January 28, 2020

mookieproof, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:57 (four years ago) link

There's not much good about living in a city that no one wants to move to

longtime caller, first time listener (man alive), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 20:58 (four years ago) link

why (non-rich) people still want to move here is what's confusing me

not leaving was the dumbest mistake of my life

a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:05 (four years ago) link

"Transplants" are good for NYC. Parked foreign capital in empty luxury apartments is just unabashedly not, in any way.

yeah i never really understand how people dont see the dissonance between complaining "too many young ppl are ruining ny by moving here" while simultaneously complaining "ny is boring now, the art/creative/whatever scene sucks"

warn me about a lurking rake (One Eye Open), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:07 (four years ago) link

they’re actually just complaining about the fact that they’re not 20 anymore

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:10 (four years ago) link

i don't think moss is bemoaning the quantity of the young people, or the youngness of the people, so much as the quality of the young people. obviously the people who can afford to rent renovated market price apartments in the west village or williamsburg in 2020 etc are going to be nightmare pod people.

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:11 (four years ago) link

east village rather. w village ship long sailed surely

adam, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:13 (four years ago) link

warhol moved to the city at 21, from suburban Pittsburgh

I wanna publish memes and rage against machimes (rip van wanko), Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:16 (four years ago) link

yeah, he's talking more about the quality of people able to afford to move to ny in the present day. Unfortunately that aesthetic of pleasant sameness and lack of niche interests is available everywhere. internet and globalization.

Yerac, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:19 (four years ago) link

the vanishing ny blog always spoke from the perspective of ‘there’s nothing in nyc worth considering outside of manhattan’.

iatee, Tuesday, 28 January 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link


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