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yea, I'm not surprised.

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 06:57 (eighteen years ago) link

My own experience is that SMB sharing is significantly slower on Windows than with Samba on Linux. Using a properly-optimised ext3 volume to store the files on instead of NTFS gives Linux a second speed advantage, too.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:00 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know why people deploy ext3 when reiser etc are available.

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Thursday, 23 March 2006 07:03 (eighteen years ago) link

I HATE APPLE AND SUNN O)))

So in the processing of keeping up iTunes with my CD collection, I tried to rip Sunn O)))'s "Black One" about an hour ago. Now, my iBook won't spit the CD back out. It's little motor tries and tries and then gives up and re-loads the CD in iTunes. Fuck.

Already called AppleCare and they couldn't figure out anything. They just told me to either mail it in or take it to an Apple store. So, any tips before I make the long trek tomorrow morning? Sigh.

Mickey (modestmickey), Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:34 (eighteen years ago) link

Did you put a shaped or a spraypainted cd in? I don't have Black1

R.I.P. West Village Bird Shaman ]-`: (ex machina), Sunday, 26 March 2006 21:53 (eighteen years ago) link

our imac loves to eat Cds

Mr Jones (Mr Jones), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:22 (eighteen years ago) link

Mickey did you try starting up your iBook while holding down the eject key?

jed_ (jed), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

or the mouse button

stet (stet), Sunday, 26 March 2006 22:32 (eighteen years ago) link

jed, stet, just tried that. No go.

This CD won't fucking come out. Any other ideas before I take it to the shop?

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 27 March 2006 00:51 (eighteen years ago) link

Haha ok I just got it fixed. For anybody else who encounters this, here was the solution. I found it on this article:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=1777942�

I know this sounds completely stupid but...

I tried to insert one of those small CDs into my iBook's drive hoping it would pull it in an read it like a normal cd by now its stuck inside. Should I bring it into the Apple Store to have it taken out or is there a much easier way for me to get it out such as tweezers or something? I really don't want to have to leave it at the store as I need it for school but I need the drive working. Thank you for any assistance!

For the record, I was not stupid enough to try putting an abnormally sized CD in the drive.

Ok oddly my father told me to hold it up, turn it sideways with the drive opening facing down and shake it once. The cd popped enough out to grab onto it and take it completely out. lWOw problem solved quickly hehe.

But this did work. I held the computer sideways and tried to eject it while shaking and it came right out. Man.

Mickey (modestmickey), Monday, 27 March 2006 01:17 (eighteen years ago) link

my ipod died today :-(

tehresa (tehresa), Monday, 27 March 2006 02:26 (eighteen years ago) link

RIP

latebloomer: My name *COCKS SHOTGUN* is Horace! (latebloomer), Monday, 27 March 2006 02:34 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't know why people deploy ext3 when reiser etc are available.

Because ext3 is better for the job, obv. It's more reliable than reiserfs, performs much better (IMX) on large files, and doesn't have much that reiserfs doesn't have.

I might consider using XFS if I had a system on a very reliable UPS that I was sure wouldn't go down unexpectedly. Not otherwise, though - if a machine gets turned off with XFS filesystems mounted, you *will* lose data. What other serious alternatives on Linux are there?

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:11 (eighteen years ago) link

no, you must use the most l33t homebrew unproven OSS filesystem you can find.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Hahaha! Sorry, Ed, I was forgetting :-)

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:28 (eighteen years ago) link

I love that Newtonian physics still applies to some bogaboos of modern computing technology.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:31 (eighteen years ago) link

In fact why haven't you written your own, mine uses the bubbles in roquefort cheese as a model for byte storage.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

er BUGaboos

xpost!!

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:32 (eighteen years ago) link

Ed I was about to ask why you are up this early, but I forgot about the time changing over there.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:33 (eighteen years ago) link

I should have left to work by now, but there was some cold speck, pancetta and porcini pizza to deal with.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:35 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm sure they'll understand.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Monday, 27 March 2006 05:39 (eighteen years ago) link

I wasn't at the office when I posted above, but I am now. Bleah.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:15 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't seem to have any time change issues, I was woken up early yesterday morning by my mother's dog licking my feet.

Ed (dali), Monday, 27 March 2006 06:33 (eighteen years ago) link

You guys are turds. I used reiserfs on a machine for like 5 years. You just use RedHat.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 16:00 (eighteen years ago) link

Hah. The Constructive Argument Department strikes again! Just because you have never had any reiserfs problems doesn't mean it's a better choice than ext3.

I've had severe performance problems with concurrent access to large files on reiserfs filesystems - "severe" meaning "causing processes to hang in the D-state for several minutes". These problems vanished when I moved the relevant files over to an ext3 filesystem.

Now, that's not going to be a problem for everyone. Not many people have databases with files over 4G in size, like we do. Nevertheless, Reiserfs clearly isn't up to the job for *that* task, and it doesn't have any advantages over properly-optimised ext3 for general fileserving.

I'm not going to get into an experience fight, but I *do* know what I'm talking about when it comes to Linux sysadmin stuff. Just to let you know.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:06 (eighteen years ago) link

My PB has decided to fall asleep eery 10 seconds or so. I narrowed it down to a faulty heat sensor underneath the trackpad that gives wildly incorrect readings, freaking out the system software and forcing "emergency overtemp" shutdowns. I took it to Tekserve yesterday and it turns out I know one of the guys who works back there - I'd forgotten. He put me to the front of his queue and I'm getting it back today! THANK U APPLECARE. It is fucking retardo that there's not a hack to tell the system to ignore that particular heat sensor, though - and even more that OS X doesn't at least pop up a dialog to tell you what just happened. What if the computer actually was too hot?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

I can't believe that problems like that with reiser exist to this day; what kernel was this?

Ext3 is a bag on the side of Ext2 which has been tuned the fuck out, but it is less than optimal design that needs to die.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:26 (eighteen years ago) link

Off the top of my head I don't know the exact version. A 2.4 varient, certainly.

Whatever the kernel version, I'm certainly not going to use reiserfs again where there is a risk of something like that happening. Yes, I could move off it - I did do - but that involves significant downtime.

Ext3 is a ... less than optimal design that needs to die.

It's fast, fully-featured, and very very solid.

What features does reiserfs have that ext3 doesn't? None that are worth trading the extra reliability for.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:37 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm not answering me, YOU FUCKING LIAR.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

or you :(

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:50 (eighteen years ago) link

Performance

Compared to ext2 and ext3 in 2.4, when dealing with files under 4k and with tail packing enabled, ReiserFS is often faster by a factor of 10–15. This is of great benefit in Usenet news spools, HTTP caches, mail delivery systems and other applications where performance with small files is critical.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:51 (eighteen years ago) link

ReiserFS in versions of the Linux kernel before 2.4.10 were considered unstable by Namesys and not recommended for production use, especially in conjunction with NFS.
Some file operations (including unlink(2)) are not synchronous on ReiserFS, which can cause some subtle breakage in applications relying heavily on file-based locks.
There is no known way to defragment a ReiserFS filesystem, aside from a full dump and restore.
Early implementations of ReiserFS (prior to that in Linux 2.6.2) were also susceptible to out-of-order write hazards (files being appended to during a crash, for example, would gain a tail of garbage upon next mount). The current journaling implementation in ReiserFS, however, is now on par with that of ext3's "ordered" journaling level.


HAHAHA :(

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:52 (eighteen years ago) link

ReiserFS stores file metadata ("stat items"), directory entries ("directory items"), inode block lists ("indirect items") and tails of files ("direct items") in a single, combined B+ tree keyed by a universal object id. Disk blocks allocated to nodes of the tree are "formatted internal blocks". Blocks for leaf nodes (in which items are packed end-to-end) are "formatted leaf blocks". All other blocks are "unformatted blocks" containing file contents. Directory items with too many entries or indirect items which are too long to fit into a node spill over into the right leaf neighbour. Block allocation is tracked by free space bitmaps in fixed locations.
By contrast, ext2 and other Berkeley FFS-like filesystems simply use a fixed formula for computing inode locations, hence limiting the number of files they may contain. Most such filesystems also store directories as simple lists of entries, which makes directory lookups and updates linear-time operations and degrades performance on very large directories. The single B+ tree design in ReiserFS was intended to avoid both of these problems.

I'd probably say reiser is ok for a dev workstation for these reasons, but yea, if you ran into those problems, avoid it. I had amazing performance with it being used to torrent tons of stuff while doing lots of huge compile jobs.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 17:54 (eighteen years ago) link

I'm happy with XFS! Its data-loss-on-crash issues are reportedly less common and less destructive than Reiser's.

Paul Eater (eater), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:09 (eighteen years ago) link

Yea, I think I'd probably use XFS now. I remember being scared by how much freaking code comprised it!

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:12 (eighteen years ago) link

Yes, I know how to find Wikipedia, thanks. Responding to the highlighted bits:

By contrast, ext2 and other Berkeley FFS-like filesystems simply use a fixed formula for computing inode locations, hence limiting the number of files they may contain.

A default ext3 filesystem, off the top of my head, has 1 inode for every 4k of disk space. Hence, if your average file size is under 4k then you'll run out of inodes before data blocks. I don't think there are many situations where that is likely to apply.

Most such filesystems also store directories as simple lists of entries, which makes directory lookups and updates linear-time operations and degrades performance on very large directories.

Ext3 doesn't have to, though - it can store directory contents either as a list or a b-tree.

Filesystem comparisons are hard to do, normally, because it's rare to switch between filesystems on one machine.

Forest Pines (ForestPines), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:14 (eighteen years ago) link

Aha, you are right about the directory list entries.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:23 (eighteen years ago) link

Jon is there any acceptable reason another human being should use a computer in a fashion that is not identical to the way you use a computer?

TOMBOT (TOMBOT), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 18:40 (eighteen years ago) link

meanwhile, back in the real world: anyone else having problems with gmail notifier? mine's fucked.

the gmail+growl site suggests some kind of weird shit is going down. it's been knackered for me since 9.30am BST today.

grimly fiendish (grimlord), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:02 (eighteen years ago) link

use one tcpdump

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:13 (eighteen years ago) link

I HATE YOU GUYS

cozen (Cozen), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:34 (eighteen years ago) link

ymail notifier breaks for me like every 2nd day. (no need for gmail notifier since i just pipe gmail straight to Mail.app) still i keep it around, dunno why.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:42 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand why peoplee think webmail is such a hot idea. It is good when you're traveling but nothing beats organizing your own shit in folders with good drag and drop etc. I keep my folders for work imap synced. Since I use a laptop, it is handy to have offline access to mail.

Also:

http://wizardishungry.com/lol/mail.png

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:47 (eighteen years ago) link

y no smartfolders, jon?

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 19:59 (eighteen years ago) link

I use smartfolders as views for stuff but I like my "Inbox" to only have non mailing list traffic as the unread count in the dock icon corresponds to the number unread in the inbox. Also, with colors I can see where stuff is from in any of my smartfolders ("Today", "This Week", etc). These rules also move each mailing list into its own folder.

Finally a PEEVE with Apple Mail -- Why doesn't each folder remember which columns you had turned on in it rather than the setup now where the columns are GLOBAL.

Houdini Gordonii (ex machina), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 20:02 (eighteen years ago) link

that's cool jon. i like your style.

by the way, I LOVE TEKSERVE. hardware problem requiring new top casing & trackpad = fixed overnight.

Tracer Hand (tracerhand), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 21:56 (eighteen years ago) link

I don't understand why peoplee think webmail is such a hot idea.

Neither did I, until I started using Gmail. Conversations and fast-searching are such great additions to mail that I'm never going back. Spotlight can search -- slowly -- at home, but what about when I'm not? Mail.app and other clients have pissy little stabs at "threading", but they're all shit compared to conversations. And are useless away from home.

If only Gmail had IMAP, it would be the best of both worlds.

stet (stet), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:30 (eighteen years ago) link

all this stuff

RJG (RJG), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:31 (eighteen years ago) link

If gmail had IMAP, I'd probably use it instead of fastmail, as it is I use it as an extra thang and at home use Mail.app (which searches very fast, in my experience). And I don't really like the conversation thing in gmail. I'm a bit old school about email presentation.

Alba (Alba), Tuesday, 28 March 2006 22:39 (eighteen years ago) link


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