Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

that ship sailed at least five years ago treesh

So guys

I have a question

Hillary Clinton: Classic or Dud?

KHive no stranger to shitposting.

Lol this woman is clearly a lunatic and the only hope for all of you is gun control and socialised healthcare how is this even a question

Cillizza worst person mentioned itt so far

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I have a question

False Binaries: Classic or Dud?

ts: twitter embeds vs. enormous twitter screenshots

"Plenty of people like me. Take my wife..."

Great point.

Bernie Bros say they want to fight the billionaire class but they're spending all morning attacking the only woman politician who's ever killed a billionaire. Remind me again what these people stand for? 🙄

— Google Millennium Challenge 2002 (شادي) (@shariaprelaw) January 21, 2020

good plan tbh

Tulsi put this statement in her lawsuit against Hilary Clinton in case she ends up suicided lmaooooo pic.twitter.com/eattGPbRNA

— lana del ray lee-yoda (@FailsonA) January 22, 2020

lmaoooo at your own joke is bad form

ok, I got owned by fake news for a few solid minutes there

in that case, rip tulsi's hyoid bone

hyoid polloi'd iirc

https://newrepublic.com/amp/article/157739/flawed-fantasy-different-hillary-clinton?

Excellent review of a terrifying book.

“Plunged inside” is a horrifying phrase.

I knew what this revive was before clicking and I'd just like to say I HATE EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS

yeah i couldn't get beyond the headline, the subject matter is too radioactive

Can't help but be wary of exofiction as a subgenre.

Wait, it doesn't seem to be called that in English. What's the equivalent?

"Before the novel gets to its fork in history, there is a lot of self-consciously steamy sex."

xp: I'd go with "terrible bullshit"

I owned republicanerotica.com for a year and could never bring myself to do things like write about Ted Cruz plunging inside Ann Coulter. Apparently this author has a stronger stomach than I do.

dude

ur welcome

I'm just imagining the papercuts

His fingers played across her back like the palest xylophone

Pomenitul: allohistory?

That ones comes close. In French, the term 'exofiction' (fictionalized biography) is an explicit callback to 'autofiction' (fictionalized autobiography), which doesn't have an exact English equivalent either.

Oh, we just say "historical fiction" for things that could have happened, but are not being presented as documented fact. Or things that are "based on a true story" but feature invented dialogue and may not have unfolded in exactly the way depicted in the text.

Alternate or alternative history is a different genre - what if Lee had attacked here instead of there, what if FDR had stayed neutral, what if Oswald had come down with a cold, what if Wellington had eaten bad oysters, what if Trump had been smothered in infancy by a deranged babysitter.... (oh wait, that last was pure fantasy)

Exofiction is specifically biographical, which is why I think it applies to the novel under discussion, but it doesn't necessarily play with alternative histories. Perhaps 'counterfactual exofiction' would be a more precise designation.

the term is "real person slash"

(or I guess just RPF in the case of the book

Thanks, we're getting closer. It seems more disparaging and 'lowbrow' than what exofiction typically covers in French, though. Like, I wouldn't think of describing Jean Echenoz's Ravel as real person slash.

Curtis Sittenfeld is quite a good writer. I'd quite like to read this. Hillary looks very nice on the cover.

plunge into the pages, pinefox

i haven't read sittenfeld but this novel and the one about laura bush seem weird

i'm skeptical but maybe great literature can come from this premise, who knows. hillary is an interesting kind of figure

Looking FWD to pinefox's report already.

I finished the Netflix documentary the other night. I had a habit of watching it late at night, so I'd drift and rewind a lot...As befits the subject, not sure what I thought. The saddest part was post-healthcare, where she looked lost. Watching election night 2016 still feels stunning.

It's fan fiction, surely. Incredibly ill advised, unaccountably published fan fiction about a real person.

should this book have been called “Nuvvieworld” y/n

the problem isn't fan fiction, it's very bad fan fiction

Has anyone read the novel?

It's written by a writer who has written numerous quite successful novels and is often said to be quite good.

So until I read it I'll assume that it might be, in some ways, quite good.

And on a subject that I find interesting. (I started this thread in 2001 after all.)

I think people here are judging the excerpts, which are not quite good

plunge into the entire book wins

Wow, imagine looking at the life of Hillary Clinton and thinking "if only she were free of Bill she could really have made something of herself"