JOE ROGAN VS. CARLOS MENCIA... FITE!!!

tbf I think Rogan missed a trick. He takes a lot of shit (some deserved) for never pushing really pushing back, but pushing back doesn't work! and some guests just walk right off a cliff by themselves, without Rogans help (not that thats what he's about)

He's had Bernie, Tulsi and Yang on. And was positive about Bernie and Tulsi. I guess he just wants his guests to be real (I'm well aware he has a bunch of right wing grifters on but wgaf? they're all grifters thats just how it is)

Lol, Joe says he had requests from Biden, Warren and Mayor Pete to come on and he turned them all down

When you can't even win over Joe Rogan it's time to pack it in.

Go on Mencia's show th o wate

Does he not like Yang? I know he was the first candidate to go on his show.
― flappy bird,

Not clear, he has had him on, but not mentioning him when he mentioned Bernie and Tulsi seemed to tell its own story, unless he just forgot

on paper he's 100% yang gang but I'd be shocked if he wasn't at the very least sympathetic or liked him more than the others

the others meaning everyone he's rejected

Well he had Yang on so he must have been somewhat predisposed to him, so either he didn't like the podcast with him on or he's seen something in him he's disliked since (or he just forgot, equally likely!)

Joe doesn't seem to the brightest of guys (though this actually helps his show), which means he's unable to see through some terrible grifters, but he does value authenticity even if he can't always see it. Obviously Pete, Warren and Biden don't really have any of that, which he thinks wouldn't make them good guests. I think he has to think he'll like his guests on some level, he's not setup for it to be otherwise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-KjcOQPVeI

Rogan's own take on it (and on his own past comments)

That doesn't mean he's going to be a great president. I don't know what's required to be a president. I really don't. Maybe we're better off with Trump; maybe we're better off with someone else.

makes u think

And so he doubles down, of course:

It's very bad for the cause if you have a transgender woman that doesn't disclose she's transgender and is beating the fuck out of biological women. The ones who get fucked over are biological women.

Can't get over that the Fear Factor comedian did a bunch of DMT and became the Rush Limbaugh of the new millennium

ah yes love this vacuous piece of shit

I had no idea who this guy was 2 weeks ago.

On the Media has a good segment on him and his appeal this week. (There's also a mention, re cancel culture, that America just spent a week mourning a rapist.)

I'll watch a chunk of a Rogan video if he's interviewing someone I'm already interested in/by, who's gonna have something smart to say no matter what. His interviews with Henry Rollins and David Lee Roth, for example, were both good, even if I didn't make it through all 14 hours. And I think his point about the transgender fighter is a valid one. As far as the whole Bernie endorsement deal, if Bernie's the nominee I'll vote for him. And if Rogan's endorsement can get a few hundred thousand sponge-brained knuckle-walkers to vote for Bernie if he's the nominee, good. Votes are votes. I don't think Sanders is gonna suddenly develop a huge interest in MMA or any of Rogan's (and his audience's) other pet issues, so it's clearly a win.

I think his point about the transgender fighter is a valid one.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5357259/

(There's also a mention, re cancel culture, that America just spent a week mourning a rapist.)

― a Mets fan who gave up on everything in the mid '80s (Dr Morbius), Saturday, February 1, 2020 7:05 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

this sucked ass too for the record

must be nice to think bullshit points are valid unperson

god my blood is boiling, why even fucking say that

my s/o's gym has been going through this with a trans member whose been barred from competing. they did a bunch of protests at competitions where everyone timed out

but the point being that even though she was within the normal range of hormones as accepted by the IOC standards and was not in fact dominating competitions is still barred, it has no basis in fact

that was honestly so out of line unperson you should be ashamed

I've been wrong about things before; I'll be wrong about things again. Settle the fuck down.

i dislike Rogan because Fear Factor, UFC, his dumbass podcast logo, and that intro "What's up Freak Bitches!!" or however it goes. what a fucking dork.

I'll watch a chunk of a Rogan video if he's interviewing someone I'm already interested in/by, who's gonna have something smart to say no matter what. His interviews with Henry Rollins and David Lee Roth, for example, were both good, even if I didn't make it through all 14 hours. And I think his point about the transgender fighter is a valid one. As far as the whole Bernie endorsement deal, if Bernie's the nominee I'll vote for him. And if Rogan's endorsement can get a few hundred thousand sponge-brained knuckle-walkers to vote for Bernie if he's the nominee, good. Votes are votes. I don't think Sanders is gonna suddenly develop a huge interest in MMA or any of Rogan's (and his audience's) other pet issues, so it's clearly a win.

― shared unit of analysis (unperson)

hi, i'm trans, thanks for throwing me under the bus

and thanks for telling me to "settle the fuck down", that really makes me think better of you

must be nice to be able to let shit like this just roll off your back

That point re: transgender competitors was the same position that JK Rowling got dragged for FWIW.

This actually underscores an important point, which is that there are many people who think Rogan "sounds reasonable" enough because they don't actually know anything about the topic at hand

unperson go put yourself in a corner and think about what you've done

"calm down, i've been wrong, am wrong, and will be wrong, so i never have to take responsibility for thinking something hateful"

you're supposed to be a writer, do some fucking research before you agree with a baseless and fucked up assertion. LEARN from being wrong

Oh, you assbags are my fucking teachers now? Settle the fuck down.

your incuriosity about things that are not your own dumbass opinions led you down this path, and i'm sorry for that, but also fuck you

i'm not interested in teaching anybody who's not willing to listen or learn. fp time i guess.

i'm not interested in teaching anybody who's not willing to listen or learn.

I freely admit that I have plenty to learn...but not from you. fp away.

unperson, you do get why your stance might be particularly hurtful to someone for whom this isn't just an abstract intellectual debate?

sigh. this is the hill you're going to die on, huh? longtime respected poster and you're going to go out defending joe rogan.

well, he's a longtime poster at least

unperson, you do get why your stance might be particularly hurtful to someone for whom this isn't just an abstract intellectual debate?

Of course. But I think my "stance" is being mischaracterized.

longtime respected poster and you're going to go out defending joe rogan

I dispute that description, and I suspect plenty of other ILXors would, too. But the point is, I'm not defending Joe Rogan. What I heard him say, about this one particular trans MMA fighter competing against overmatched biologically female fighters, seemed to make sense to me. Now, that's not a reflection (in my mind) on trans people competing in athletics generally. To me, it was about that one case. And if Rogan's wrong about that, and I'm wrong for accepting his version of events, I'll own it.

i would literally douse you with gasoline and light it then kick you into an active volcano while flipping you off

I remember back when everyone Would go get drinks together after lighting each other on fire and kicking each other into volcanos.

Man, Rogan’s sidekick is probably the only human who makes him look smart in comparison

And if Rogan's wrong about that, and I'm wrong for accepting his version of events, I'll own it.

― but also fuck you (unperson)

as long as you don't actually have to listen to any trans people while doing so, sure

What I heard him say, about this one particular trans MMA fighter competing against overmatched biologically female fighters, seemed to make sense to me.

Regarding Fallon Fox, Rogan's exact words were 'You're a fucking man. That's a man, OK? I don't care if you don't have a dick any more.' Is this the episode you're referring to?

Of course. But I think my "stance" is being mischaracterized.

a couple options here.

1. you're not communicating effectively and the best stance would be to try and figure out why what you're saying is making so many people angry or upset
2. everybody else on this board is a screaming snowflake. (why are you still here?)
3. you are communicating effectively, you're just an asshole.

I dispute that description, and I suspect plenty of other ILXors would, too.

in fairness maybe i'm confusing you with unregistered. regardless you've been here a while and before just now you've not incurred my ire, and i'm a complete namby-pamby snowflake, though admittedly a namby-pamby snowflake with a poor attention span. i try to assume the best of people even when there's no real reason to do so.

a couple options here.

It's a little bit of 1 and a whole lot of 3. And I am very clear on why what I said made two or three people angry and upset. I have accepted that I was wrong and I am about to move on with my day.

(it suddenly struck me that there are people here for whom this is a very personal issue and are sensitive to it, and i regret my sarcasm, also shitting up the thread. fwiw i have dealt with severe substance abuse and i often see junkies derided online to little resistance and i get defensive, and aggressive, and didactic...)

i feel you there rvw

rvw fwiw i don't have any issues with what you said, mind you i also didn't take it as sarcasm

Regarding Fallon Fox, Rogan's exact words were 'You're a fucking man. That's a man, OK? I don't care if you don't have a dick any more.' Is this the episode you're referring to?

fwiw unperson is obviously responding to Rogan's commentary in the recent video above, in which he addresses trans listeners to apologise for offence caused, express his love, and separately from causing offence, make a blanket statement that "[I] definitely shouldn't have used those words," about the quote you're citing.

(He apologises in a dumbass way and says plenty of other dumbass things throughout, but also says a) that "I'm a moron" and nobody should be seeking guidance or wisdom from him, and b) that he thinks it's unhelpful in all matters to excise the most provocative pull quotes and wave them around to try and inflame debate, which)

also now I'm gonna have 80% Rogan recommendations in my youtubes for the next six months bcz I played that embed, FPing anvil and everyone else in this thread