2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

xo I didn’t say they were better or more deserving than the Banshees!

For a few short years Jane’s were just devastating live, on that tour in particular. Just a really intense, strange energy that I’ve never seen matched on stage.

jesus christ

do we count Lollapalooza as part of Jane's influence? because then you could make a strong case they were as influential as any on the 90s...

https://external-preview.redd.it/iVGdNr7UjYsHE6u3VbLjLfnx2RVyKab96TqI_eYa5-I.jpg

How have the Banshees (and Joy Division, and The B-52's, and DOLLY f'in PARTON) NEVER even been nominated before ???

How many Country artists are in though?

Nine Inch Nails leaves me cold and I don’t care about this Hall of Fame, but I know this much:

In 2019, Reznor and Ross received songwriting and production credits for the number-one single "Old Town Road" by Lil Nas X, which sampled their track "34 Ghosts IV" from Ghosts I-IV.[274] "Old Town Road" broke the record for most consecutive weeks at number one on the Billboard Hot 100.[275] As producers for the song, Reznor and Ross garnered a CMA Award nomination for the 'Musical Event Of The Year' award, along with Lil Nas X, featured artist Billy Ray Cyrus and producer YoungKio.[276]

goddamnit every year i remember Blue Oyster Cult isn't in, what a bunch of bullshit

rt

It’s really bizarre that Depeche Mode and NIN (the aggro Depeche Mode) - both deserving - get in before Kraftwerk, but I guess that’s just sales figures. What I really wanna know is why Whitney gets in when Mariah Carey, a way more rock and roll artist at the end of the day and also objectively more popular, has never even been nominated. I mean, I know it’s because Mariah is still alive. But it’s still bullshit. And how was Outkast not even nominated? They’re a shoo-in, and they were eligible as of last fall.

Actually I’m pretty sure Outkast were eligible in 2018- “Player’s Ball” was a Christmas single. In 1993.

How is Mariah “objectively more popular” than Whitney? At a glance, looks like they’ve both sold between 200-250mm albums worldwide; can each claim impressive-sounding chart records; and have each won a ton of awards (though Whitney seems to have the edge there, as she apparently holds the Guinness Record for “most awarded female artist of all time”).

Having grown up with both, I feel like Whitney was always on a higher plane than Mariah in terms of status and perceived artistry. (Which is not to say that you are wrong about Whitney’s HoF honor owing largely to the fact that she is deceased; maybe that’s true, I have no idea.)

Also not sure I agree about OutKast being an immediate “shoo-in” upon eligibility, but whatever.

Postmortem, Whitney is bigger than Mariah if Spotify is the metric - which surprised me. I’m just talking about raw numbers with regard to hit singles and album sales. So I’m probably fudging the numbers a little bit. My read is that Whitney Houston had massive sales and basically no respect from critics before she died in 2012. Mariah Carey had equally massive numbers, equal critical disdain giving way to grudging respect in the late 90s and thereafter once she aligned herself with the hip hop nation. And once she went hip hop she never let go, never went back, never played it off like it was just a phase. She knew which way the wind was blowing.

To be fair I don’t think Whitney Houston ever had that luxury, whether due to colorism or any number of other circumstances beyond her control. But even if we’re limiting ourselves to the first 10 years of each singer’s career, Carey just flat-out had more good records.

Whitney still not getting a whole lot of respect, I see.

How is Todd Rundgren not in there? As a producer alone ... !

i want him to get inducted and then for the HOF concert, an all-star band plays a 23 minute version of "Bang the Drum All Day"

That sounds like work, which is anathema to the song's ethos.

it's not anathema if they're just banging drums

"Just" banging drums, gtfo with that. *You* bang on a drum for 23-minutes, it's hard work! There's a reason Ringo's All-Star Band tours with another drummer, and it's because Ringo doesn't want to work, because work is hard. Besides, imagine the drum union overtime fees alone!

Hmm. Maybe if they switched off drummers, and limited the amount of banging each could do? There are a lot of drummers in the Hall of Fame. That could circumvent union policy *and* prevent anyone from doing too much work.

*You* bang on a drum for 23-minutes, it's hard work!

he doesn't wanna work, he just wants to bang on the drum 'all day.' banging on a drum 'all day' is necessarily more work than banging on a drum for '23 minutes.' but that just what he wants to do.

You ever heard anyone bang on a drum for 23 minutes? It might as well be all day. There's a reason I love Led Zeppelin but never listen to Zeppelin bootlegs.

I played the role of the pulse for a performance of In C and I just played quarter notes like a robot for way over 23 minutes
it was quite relaxing tbh

yeah banging a drum for 23 minutes is actually quite meditative

that's pretty much my daily practice regime

xxpost But did you bang out those quarter notes, or just sort of gently tap them out?

i varied in intensity to create some dynamics, of course

that's pretty much my daily practice regime
i play drums for 23 min straight all the time honestly, it's not that big of a deal! brad otm

Lol at any of you taking this seriously. Love you all.

You dorks.

Todd Rundgren is annoying af

^must be an EMPLOYER

Proud of my nerdery!!
Regarding Todd Rundgren I had a teacher in hs who was a superfan and decorated her room w photos of him, which was no small thing in the early 90s. I never understood it but appreciated her enthusiasm.

Like I said before, he deserves to be in for his production alone! New York Dolls, Badfinger, XTC, Psychedelic Furs, Grand Funk Railroad, Meat Loaf, many of whom had huge or unlikely hits with him behind the boards.

As a solo artist ... "Something/Anything" is pretty cool, not that familiar with everything else.

I don't have the list in front of me or anything but I'm guessing if I looked at great rock producers who should be in the hall of fame who aren't Rundgren wouldn't be top 20

Yeah, but I bet many of them are in the hall already!

Though just looking now it seems that Eno isn't in, and has been eligible since 1999. So yeah, stupid rock hall is stupid, it's a no-win.

The Shawn Cassidy album he produced is tight!!

Rundgren