2019 Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Nominees

I think a big problem with the MC5 is they didn't spin off an Iggy or Lou Reed to keep the legend going.

― a bevy of supermodels, musicians and Lena Dunham (C. Grisso/McCain), Wednesday, January 15, 2020 9:13 AM (fifty-one minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I love this so much

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyrcUlX7sPg

Plus I don't care what someone did and didn't write -- 6 platinum and 3 gold albums, and 15 top 40 singles is, as Kevin Costner says in "Bull Durham," a career.

I'm guessing the Doobie Brothers or whoever can now attach "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame Inductee" whenever they play a show at Casino Rama or wherever they're playing, and that that helps sell tickets?

― clemenza, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 10:59 AM (nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I would be pretty surprised if that tipped the scales for anyone on the fence about whether or not to go see the Doobies in 2020.

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how many of the classic R&B performers in the hall fail the "didn't write or play on the songs" test? probably 90% at least

I was going to say that Fred Berry should induct the Doobies, but unfortunately he passed away in 2003.

xp pretty much anyone inducted on the Motown label not named Marvin Gaye or Smokey Robinson

or Stevie obvs

Many of the Motown performers were exceptional singers, imo. I don't care about Pat Benatar one way or the other, the whole Rock Hall thing is stupid, but in no way would I consider her an exceptional singer. I don't know what she has going for her except a handful of big hits to her name, and by that standard just about anybody who charts more than a couple of times is going to get in.

I don't care about Pat Benatar one way or the other, the whole Rock Hall thing is stupid, but in no way would I consider her an exceptional singer. I don't know what she has going for her except a handful of big hits to her name, and by that standard just about anybody who charts more than a couple of times is going to get in.

Benatar has five platinum albums (Crimes Of Passion and Precious time were quadruple and double platinum, respectively), three gold albums, and 15 Top 40 hits, including four Top Ten hits. By any measure she is a major artist. And as mentioned above, she has a massive voice and extensive formal training.

great singer obv

she is not that great of a singer.

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 7:45 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

amazing

I don't think she's a bad singer!

I mean, by all of the above standards Bon Jovi belongs in there too, but I think Bon Jovi sucks. I like Pat Benatar a lot more than I like Bon Jovi.

I dunno, I think in my brain I apply the vague standard of impact and influence.

Again, whole system is stupid and silly! But there has to be some standard, right? Otherwise everyone gets in. Should Rick Springfield be in there? Sure! How about Orleans? Sure! Pablo Cruise? Sure! And so on.

What standard does Joan Jett meet that Pat Benatar doesn't?

joan jett rocks

how is this hard

Yeah, there's that. I think she's a more distinctive singer, I think her history is more important, I think she was a pioneering independent artist with Blackheart records, etc.

I think there are people influenced by Joan Jett, and no one influenced by Pat Benatar. Maybe Patty Smyth?

Benatar was an incredible singer. She trained in opera first growing up which probably helped. Always loved her dirtier vocals too

pat benatar is both an excellent singer and someone who doesn't belong in the rock hall. not sure why she's become such a cause celebre.

but the floodgates are open now, might as well let her in. she's much better than the other jamokes jic mentioned upthread.

Give them time!

letting Benatar in would not flood the gates with fuckin Go West type groups

Give them time, too!

Until Judas Priest gets in, the HoF could be flooded with manure for all i care

That would be ... breaking the law.

I think in my brain I apply the vague standard of impact and influence.

OK, so define these vague terms in a way that excludes a multiplatinum artist who broke significant ground for other female singers in hard rock music.

Also, Benatar and her husband/lead guitarist wrote a significant number of her singles; most if not all of Joan Jett's hits were covers ("I Love Rock & Roll," "Crimson and Clover," "Do You Wanna Touch Me").

I think there are people influenced by Joan Jett, and no one influenced by Pat Benatar. Maybe Patty Smyth?

― Josh in Chicago, Wednesday, January 15, 2020 12:29 PM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

lolwut

You don't think that, just off the cuff, Amy Lee was a Pat Benatar fan?

I would be pretty surprised if that tipped the scales for anyone on the fence about whether or not to go see the Doobies in 2020.

Veronica Moser suggested induction meant something tangible to the Doobie Brothers--I'm just trying to figure out what that is. VM also mentioned "bottom line," so I assume that means a financial advantage of some kind.

i dig Joan Jett a ton but i don't find her *more* distinctive than Pat Benatar, nor a better singer.

i do not understand why benetar doesn't belong in the rock hall given that i don't even fucking understand why a lot of people are/are not in the rock hall in the first place

like do y’all care about this long-incoherent institution so much

I mean, influence and relevance is tough...like I would totally put MC5 in

I can also hardly think of a rock band that seems less relevant to music today

I mean if that dickhole Bongiovi got in...

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Let's all agree that DMB not getting in rules and we should troll their fans

I've got to say again that I come at this from the perspective of a baseball fan. The Baseball HOF inductions are cause for much sniping every year, both for who goes in and who doesn't. As objectively as possible, I've got to say that the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame bar is much, much lower. (The first few years, when it was Chuck Berry and the Beatles and such going in, the two were on about even footing.) When Harold Baines went into Cooperstown last year, there was (warranted) apoplexy--it was a a terrible choice, the worst in years. But the musical equivalent of Harold Baines, whoever it is, would be a far more legitimate Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee than the Doobie Brothers and Pat Benatars and Nine Inch Nails of the world. I'm sure of this.

it would and will be Foo Fighters, so less legitimate imo

ok, music isn't sports xp

Is Bongiovi a dickhole? I thought he was supposed to be an ok guy (anyway, his band is in, but not him personally).

jon bong jovi

Now, John Mellencamp is (notoriously) a major dickhole -- and when he didn't get into the HoF in his first year of eligibility, he smashed up his patio with a sledgehammer in a fit of anger!

haha Mellencamp is such a greaser

Very unchill, Johnny Cougar.

DMB will get in soon enough.

https://www.vulture.com/2019/10/2020-rock-and-roll-hall-of-fame-nominees-ranked.html

a decent worst music writing candidate from awhile back, if it wasn't already submitted

oooh classic bill wyman trash

I hate to compare female nominees with other female nominees; that is itself a sexist construct. But for the record,

The case for hall inclusion is that Depeche Mode was a fairly popular synth-rock band in the ’80s and ’90s, a plain cut above the Thompson Twins and the like; the case against is that Gahan has a tedious, stentorian voice and Gore was nothing other than a serviceable songwriter. New Order’s work was dark and complex during this period; Gore’s, by contrast, felt a bit sophomoric, in the literal sense — like the work of a talented college sophomore who liked New Order. Beyond that, New Order has close to half a dozen timeless top-tier dance-rock classics. Depeche Mode doesn’t have one. The nomination feels like the product of an organization that doesn’t quite understand the music it thinks it’s honoring.

this guy is a fucking moron!