star wars 9 spoilers and postmortem shit talk

Is Star Wars still really popular with children tho? I guess the merchandise would say yes but mine (and nearly all their mates) are way more into Marvel than Star Wars these days

My 8 year-old bounce back and forth between rabid Marvel phases and Star Wars phases, between the new movie and The Mandalorian, he's deep in a SW phase now. He's building massive Mandalorian armies with his Legos.

Marvel - Galactus literally eats planets and its the Silver Surfer's job to warn people before he gets there so they can evacuate, right? Sort of.

Also Marvel released a couple of films relatively recently wherein literally half the population of the universe gets turned to space dust, the biggest act of murder in cinematic history.

Also the Beyonder years and years ago.

Star Wars violence is like the violence in The Dark Knight - no blood, no gore, no visible injuries most of the time. Batman duffs Joker's head in mercilessly in the interrogation room and all that happens is that some of his make-up comes off. I'd say that's as without consequence as anonymous Storm Troopers being offed with blasters.

Is Star Wars for kids? Yeah, it's for everyone. It took me until my 20s to realise the abject horror of the burnt out corpses of Luke's aunt and uncle. Didn't even notice it when I was 5.

― Hey Bob (Scik Mouthy), Tuesday, January 14, 2020 5:43 AM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

[SPOILERS] Not permanently space dust! And it was also more of a big huge story moment, not just business as usual. But again more importantly, it was ultimately reversed.

Storm Troopers are a little too convenient of a counterpoint, given that they're basically faceless henchman. I wanted to focus more on the colorful good-guy peripheral rebel characters- how often they die in near hopeless skirmishes that are essentially certain death based on the odds, usually bookended by scenes of them hanging out as a kind of family. Their sacrifice is noticeably more in focus and they feel like actual people instead of faceless nobody good guy deaths (like in Marvel movies when they have main baddies killing faceless Asgard or Wakanda soldiers in the midst of a battle). But they debuted this formula with A New Hope because it was helpful and compelling to establish the team involved in the Death Star attack, and it was dramatic to understand how that team got picked off one by one as they moved closer to their goal. The only reason they're doing the cockpit view shot all the way through to ep 9 is because it's yet another stylistic callback to the original trilogy, but it's not as directly practical to tell the story of all the battles (which are much more haphazard and epic) so the result is a unique to Star Wars emphasis on intimately showing good guys dying. I guess I figured out why it felt strange to me.

"No-one feels the effect of death" is an interesting POV only in that it manages to ignore everything we're told about both of the non-white leads in the new trilogy.

ctrl+f-ed your quoted text, zero results. Who u responding to?

SW doesn't really linger on death or trauma as things that have emotional impacts on the survivors. would do as an example

To be fair: "No-one [character] feels the effect of death" ≠ "SW [series] doesn't really linger on death or trauma"

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My 11 year old son is way more into Star Wars than the Marvel movies. He watches and enjoys the marvel movies, but for the most part doesn't get nearly as excited about them as he does about Star Wars. We got Disney+ and so far he is mostly using it for a full Star Wars rewatch.

Evan is correct. Show me a SW character affected by death and I will show u that same character half an hour later in the movie cracking a joke or going WOOOOOOO as they 'pew pew' other people to death.

I mean... that's any war movie

I mean i think most of us were probably happy that the second half of Terminator wasn't Sarah going to therapy over the loss of Matt and Ginger

That's...kind of a bad counterargument, as Sarah Conner is clearly pretty traumatized through most of the runtime of The Terminator.

wasn't Empire about Luke struggling with his compulsion to save his friends in the wake of losing his aunt and uncle and Obi-Wan Kenobi?

why no rainbow stormtroopers

nevermind

https://www.reddit.com/r/pics/comments/2stg7a/rainbow_stormtrooper/

Also the argument isn't that that isn't the case in most cinematic depictions of war and violence (as it's pretty overwhelmingly the norm to depict it all as a grand adventure where the heroes barely get a scratch and can enjoy a good night's sleep when the pools of the enemy's blood have begun to coagulate) but rather that SW isn't exactly a gritty documentary about the human cost of intergalactic battle (which, even as I've argued against that notion, I've never said it should be or that anyone would expect it to be, given the kid-friendly nature of the enterprise).

Xxxpost She's wrecked but even she manages to have sex with Reece and have jocular moments at the hotel. These things don't mean she's not feeling destroyed inside, but everyone needs levity even in tragedy.

Adrenaline takes over in battle when you're in a monumental fight for your life, as well

I don't think anybody ever argued it was. The original statement has been warped a lot.

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Granted, part of the issue here is that if we're talking exclusively about the movies here, the cumulative forty years of the SW universe has a runtime of like < one day and thusly only has time to depict what's most crucial to the plot (see for instance: Jar Jar stepping in a pile of shit). What I've seen of The Clone Wars thus far has actually done a pretty good job of giving some space to the more human effects of the war, at least in part because it has the luxury to do so.

@ AF - what Evan said, pretty much --- Finn and Rose are both shown as *affected* by death, but I still don't think the films *linger* on it. ymmv tho!

It's Finn's only consistent motivation - get the fuck away from the First Order, go to pieces when it looks like that's not possible. It's still neck-and-neck with "Can I have Rey's number, why because she interesting" at the start of the second film, but some of that can be read as "Because she can fuck up Stormtroopers and the dude with the Lightsaber"

Rose not so much, I'll grant - and by coming in for the second film (of two, when will SWIX ever get released, none of us will ever know) she has a lot less of an arc.

I think my original point was also more about how SW the franchise is perceived as fun for the whole family (again the merchandising and licensing choices make this undeniable, and those things don't happen in hindsight), and yet the lack of shyness explicitly showing relatable people and anthropomorphized aliens being murdered constantly is matched only by adult only targeted franchises or stand alone films like Game of Thrones or Hacksaw Ridge (idk it just popped in my head) respectively. Yeah no blood and guts (however yes dismemberment) sure but otherwise just as blatant. And in those serious war movies/shows, the dark tone is more appropriate, so they DO linger on the trauma. SW is stuck in the middle where they want to keep it fun and light, but the brutality of battle stays in sharp focus. Kind of an awkward spot imo.

the ewok death used to really fuck me up as a kid

Ha, yeah the music gets really mournful in that scene as well iirc which emphasizes it

I have total sonic recall of the noise the ewok makes, too. R2s grieving noises are pretty indelibly stamped on my psyche. And the rancor keeper's.

I've let my kid (who's 7) watch all the Star Wars movies, but I do feel a bit weird about exposing him to all that cinematic violence. It does start to seem a bit relentless after a while. Star Wars does seem to occupy a gray area where the movies are not marketed as kids movies, but there's a huge industry of tie-ins that clearly are aimed at kids. I guess Hollywood is pretty good at straddling that line. I wouldn't mind if the violence was toned down a bit, but I guess I've made my choice that it's acceptable.

@ AF - we mean different things by "lingered on" --- yes okay it sets up finn's one-liner motivation for the first movie and a half, as much as anything else you might read on the back of the action figure package. (side note though, the point of his character arc in TLJ is that he finds something else to drive him - to fight for saving the people he loves instead of escaping the thing he hates.)

but like compare this to any drama (for adults or for teens for that matter) about a veteran with PTSD or someone who's a survivor of some terrible attack or accident, or is just in mourning for their recently-deceased friend. think about how it would be written, how it would be performed, how it would be lit and edited, how important this history would be every conversation they have.... lots of different ways to do it but this is what i'm thinking about. again i think harry potter is much more invested in this, so it's not like it's impossible to do in a teen-oriented genre movie, they just didn't do it as much here, imho.

i watched Trading Places with my 11 and 8 year old over Christmas and wow i forgot how much titties are goin on in that movie. which i was a lot more fine with than Eddie Murphy saying "f*ggot" about 10 times. although i fear it may wind up contributing to unrealistic expectations about the extent to which adults just enthusiastically take their tops off during dance parties.

colin trevorrow is good again for the very first time

Turns out Colin Trevorrow's version of Star Wars: Episode IX was good, actually https://t.co/QHiQzCBEx2 pic.twitter.com/SMMIIOxpoT

— The A.V. Club (@TheAVClub) January 14, 2020

As many fans speculated/hoped, this iteration of Episode IX would have seen Rey and Kylo working from similar motives, with both characters fighting against the binary ideologies that have governed their world for ages. Ultimately, unlike Rise, Rey’s attempts to coax Ben Solo out of his Kylo Ren angst helmet fail, and he is “extinguished”—but not before revealing that he killed Rey’s parents (who were, indeed, “nobodies”) on Snoke’s orders.

direct me to the relevant petition immediately

That sounds so much better.

Harrison Ford weighs in on if Han Solo was a Force ghost in 'The Rise of Skywalker'

'A Force ghost? ... I have no fucking idea what a Force ghost is. And I don’t care'

(via @USATODAY) pic.twitter.com/dVE3WseXJm

— Culture Crave 🎥 (@CultureCrave) February 16, 2020

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Exactly what I'd expect Han Solo's force ghost to say tbh.

I can't wait for episode 9 to come out so we can end the Skywalker saga in a satisfying way

nothing prepared me for just how awful this is

Fool me 11 times, shame on you. Fool me 12 times ...

lol tru

it’s a real shitshow

its the worst star wars movie
and ive seen a new hope

THE BEST ACTOR IN THIS IS MARK HAMILL FOR FUCKS SAKE

the really weird thing is that jj abrams created three engaging new leads in the force awakens, with great performances from each, and then cant think of a single interesting thing for any of them to do in this one and they all look bored af

it's funny if you just adapt lines from previous movies for this one and mumble them throughout

"I'm afraid your friends will find our NAVIGATION BEACONS to be.. quite operational"

otm bg

the stirring speech to the troops is the least convincingly delivered piece i may ever have heard

what an utter frankenstein effort, any one person involved must have known what was happening here

feeling good about my decision to never ever see this

its made me sorry i saw tlj

tfa was a good fun look back with great leads and nice beats

this is so deeply unpleasant and incoherent

at this point I am finally morbidly curious about this tbh

i mean it’s worth seeing just for the ‘how did this happen’ factor

also babu frik

do I need to post my quote-unquote popular "drink the Snoke juice" meme here

that five minute emotional romeo juliet copout scene at the end seems like an improvement but as herself gasped through fits of giggles and hatred "its just that the fucking dialogue has stopped"

she is otm