END TO END BERNERS: The Official Bernie Sanders 2020 Crew thread

that henwood tweet and the replies to it made me dumber

can’t wait for the fuckin primary to be over

y’all.... Bernie is the one who fucked up here not Warren. it doesn’t mean it’s gonna tank his campaign. but Bernie bros acting like assholes about this might make things worse.

that henwood tweet and the replies to it made me dumber

a reply by what looked like a bot made my blood pressure rise

love too be a Bernie bro

honestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

y’all.... Bernie is the one who fucked up here not Warren. it doesn’t mean it’s gonna tank his campaign. but Bernie bros acting like assholes about this might make things worse.

Yeah, I don't think this needs to be read as some kind of devious stratagem by Warren. Maybe Sanders did, uncharacteristically, make some comment like this in private and some staffers heard about it and commented on it to CNN. Warren may well have not wanted it to become a public matter but, when pressed, did just acknowledge it and emphasize that she wants to move past it.

Her statement does not read that way at all imo.

The timing is what's really unfortunate

honestly not sure what he said was highly controversial considering it was the US and the last election people chose an unqualified mendacious liar over a female candidate ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

― steer karma (gyac)

If you're a guy talking to a woman, without knowing the context of the conversation, this comment can be interpreted several ways, especially if body language is involved.

I know!

I think given everything else we know about Sanders, gyac's charitable read makes sense. I don't believe dude is a misogynist, but it was definitely a tone-deaf thing for him to say.

nobody knows what anybody said

it's incumbent on voters to assess ppl's character the best we can and try despite our biases not to get pulled into this stuff

What’s wrong with just staying neutral on this one? We don’t know the precise nuance of the original comment. It could have been as Warren described it or as Sanders described it.

I am “neutral” but that Henwood bullshit made me see red

My read wasn’t charitable per se, but honestly I feel like he might have phrased it clumsily. It is a fact that sexism counts against female candidates and it will definitely factor into any female candidate in the presidential election, especially against someone who’s weaponised misogyny and male resentment as totally as Trump. That’s not the same as saying “...so let’s play it safe and you don’t bother standing, little lady.”

What’s wrong with just staying neutral on this one? We don’t know the precise nuance of the original comment. It could have been as Warren described it or as Sanders described it.

― jmm, Tuesday, January 14, 2020 8:43 AM (sixteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

both camps of people now view you as satan, not just one or the other

Saw this going around last night:

“In my view a woman could be elected president of the United States.” — Bernie Sanders, 1988 pic.twitter.com/WJd847DdmA

— Meagan Day (@meaganmday) January 13, 2020

So the big James O’keefe scoop is video of a Bernie staffers saying Chapo type stuff

whomst gives a fuck

Scoop pic.twitter.com/GYHwpLeDUZ

— Jules (@Julian_Epp) January 14, 2020

xp exactly, Simon

I'm not going to waste any of my progressively limited mental capacity on this junk because none of it changes what candidates are saying about policy, how they'd govern, and who they'd appoint to positions or nominate to their cabinet

overall, this has been a surprisingly clean race and it'll get less so, but digging through half-remembered anonymously-sourced conversations that only a handful of people were privy to is scraping the bottom of the barrel. I've had respectful interactions with a number of campaigns, and anyone working for them in any official capacity has been very cautious when speaking to prospective voters.

This speaks to my following point: Sanders handled the whole dumb thing like a professional politician. He put his chin up, said he respects his friend, etc., and got on with it. This panic from the other side is unwarranted. https://t.co/YXnnMqdNUQ

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) January 13, 2020

i’m SCREAMING hot girls said bernie or bust https://t.co/BJKNW9HdHs

— sippin on dat (@vivafalastin) January 13, 2020

defunct lj comm fashin

stop doing this thing where I think you mean lj instead of lj! 😅

Defunct lj communist fashism

ET TU, ELIZABETH? 😔

Fuck her. Awful campaigner but p good democrat. Lost all credibility this week. Way to go with the kamikaze attack that left you without a paddle. F.O.D.

Liar

☕️

You know why these poorly reported rumors are turning into overblown stories? They have nothing to attack Bernie on. They’ve spent the last 5+ years digging, attacking, smearing him and his allies. Yet he’s winning.

So when there’s nothing, well you know..they create the drama

— Nomiki Konst (@NomikiKonst) January 15, 2020

yes that must be it

flappy are you really just hearing about this

bc you’re very invested

my gut says that Bernie almost certainly doesn't believe that a woman couldn't win a presidential election / beat Trump, but he very likely said something in the meeting with Warren that could easily be interpreted that way, and both their recollections are "true" based on their own subjective experience. nb: my gut is diseased

That's my interpretation too, hence my *shrug*

Sometimes when people are wringing their hands over how uniquely mean and awful Sanders supporters are for, say, posting a cartoon emoji, I check and see if this is still up and hey, what do you know pic.twitter.com/k4HUEgRxaX

— Molly (@_uncoolniece) January 15, 2020

crüt otm

flappy are you really just hearing about this

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:27 PM (forty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

bc you’re very invested

― american bradass (BradNelson), Wednesday, January 15, 2020 6:27 PM (forty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I do have a life outside of ilx!
Haven't been posting as much

No I heard about it when it happened, just came in here to blow off some steam after warren betrayed bernie so brutally last night 😔

Elizabeth Warren accused Bernie Sanders of calling her a liar on stage after Tuesday's debate. Here's the tense moment. https://t.co/6FkruOfHOj pic.twitter.com/3mduyeJT1c

— Anderson Cooper 360° (@AC360) January 16, 2020

CNN needs the clicks.

this fuckin sucks man

uurgfgdhghgjhfgjd why would they get into it like that onstage?

i found it kinda stomach-churning to watch

stupid

This sort of thing happens all the time when two people talk. The speaker believes they have used words that are entirely clear and exactly convey their intended meaning. The listener hears the words and derives a different meaning. When the miscommunication is not immediately detected and clarified, the misunderstanding persists and each version becomes the "true" version to the respective parties.

The later "who is the liar here" disagreement is not only unresolvable when it is framed in those terms, but as soon as you frame it that way you're going to get a lot of pointless and useless animosity. The only road to resolution is through "this is what I thought I heard you say; is that correct?"

Gad! You'd think these two had never been married to anyone.

lol at "extraordinary story"

dumb country gets dumb news

Best moment:

STEYER: Hi, I just wanna --

SANDERS: Yeah, good, okay *stomps away*

jesus this is so stupid

i lol'd at steyer's awkward little moment, straight out of curb your enthusiasm

"I just wanted to say hi, Bernie"