Ari Aster's MIDSOMMAR (2019)

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I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (eight months ago) link

The fact that the idiot boyfriend was going to have sex with the redhead (or at least try) was apparent from their first look

as inexorable horrors go a p familiar one

difficult listening hour, Monday, 13 January 2020 21:37 (eight months ago) link

The events of the film are shown in the opening credits.

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:50 (eight months ago) link

I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

― papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (eleven minutes ago) link

I am not saying that I expected it was going to be Bonaroo. Just that I could almost instantly tell the purpose of each "character" and there was nothing that made me question these snap decisions: Dani was going to stay as soon as she had the conversation about family with the Swedish dude; English people were redshirts; asshole was going to die first because he was an asshole and that was his purpose (to be a character the audience enjoys seeing get killed (or not seeing). I didn't care what happened to any of them.

Again, this may be my problem with horror tropes in general. Overall I guess I enjoyed the ride even if it was the world's slowest roller coaster.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:51 (eight months ago) link

The events of the film are shown in the opening credits.

^^^

"this fairytale was so predictable!"

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 21:51 (eight months ago) link

the dread was palpable throughout for me. I did actually care about many of the characters' fates - even though I hardly consider that a prerequisite for a good horror film.

Connie and Simon actually were one of the few (besides Dani) to display any kind of genuine concern for the well-being of the two elderly who jumped (the others in the group were more 'fascinated' by it). and while it was plainly obvious that Simon wasn't dropped off at the airport separately from Connie, it's framed in a way that has you at least hoping that you're wrong, and then moments later you hear a woman screaming (Connie). And then at dinner, Mark casually jokes that Connie looked like she was trying out for the sprinting Olympics earlier, meaning he actually witnessed her running for her life from an unseen pursuer without realizing it.

they're familiar beats but the framing was unsettling to me.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:57 (eight months ago) link

I’ve been reading this thread, don’t have much to contribute. I really liked it. The cinematography and set design and all of the subliminal details were fascinating to me, and I agree about the unsettling framing of events. One of my favorite individual moments was the car journey north through the forest to the commune, where the image of the road was flipped upside down just as the were entering Hälsingland. It felt really ominous

Dan S, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:37 (eight months ago) link

I think it’s hasty to call Connie and Simon a couple of red shirts.

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t; the way Pelle’s brother is punished for bringing them home (Ulf? I can’t remember his name).

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 13 January 2020 22:51 (eight months ago) link

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 22:55 (eight months ago) link

on a rewatch i did notice how often shots are set up in such a way that something offputting or disturbing is going on in the background and how often it’s just...passed over...by the characters or not noticed at all. “So are we gonna acknowledge the bear?” “It’s a bear.”

ryan, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:21 (eight months ago) link

this handily ties into the main themes but does a nice job on it’s own of providing an unusual means for generating tension not only within the narrative but within shot compositions.

ryan, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:22 (eight months ago) link

/There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;/

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.


Yep—maybe underdeveloped, but I wouldn’t say to the point that they’re only red shirts.

unashamed and trash (Unctious), Monday, 13 January 2020 23:30 (eight months ago) link

horror movies are rituals

A brilliant observation from "Cabin in the Woods."

Josh in Chicago, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:37 (eight months ago) link

another great movie that aggressively telegraphs every plot point!

Οὖτις, Monday, 13 January 2020 23:43 (eight months ago) link

There’s reading to be done about how they’re classified as outsiders while the others aren’t;

one that neatly elides how their skin color is different from everyone else's, you mean?

the lack of acknowledgment of race in this film is its biggest failing imo. Still great, but it does stick in my craw.

I was under the impression that everyone but Dani was intended to die from the beginning; they needed five outsiders for their sacrifice. I agree there's a racial element to how the cult does its recruiting (Dani is welcomed into the family in part because she looks very Nordic; Christian, who has reddish-blond hair, gets used for breeding stock before being killed; no one else is used for breeding, although the movie makes a big point of how the cult needs new blood), but I assumed this was something we were supposed to figure out.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 01:40 (eight months ago) link

technically Christian's death was 50/50 and left up to Dani

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:01 (eight months ago) link

That's true, so I guess the order of the deaths is slightly premeditated; it makes sense they would want to keep Christian till the end as their optional sacrifice since they've decided he's acceptable breeding stock.

Lily Dale, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 02:21 (eight months ago) link

nearly everyone else does something to trigger their death, right? wanting to leave early, pissing on the sacred tree, taking pictures of their book, etc

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 04:00 (eight months ago) link

Wanting to leave early? Or ruining their whole sacred ritual thing by expressing their shock, outrage, and horror by screaming obscenities and insults? I wasn't completely unsympathetic to the perspective of the commune/cult until the final act of the movie where it became clear what their intent all along was. On top of everything else about the movie, I enjoyed the anthropological interest that went into the creation of the commune.

beard papa, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:25 (eight months ago) link

I mean didja expect they were all going to go to this mysterious Swedish festival nobody else in teh world had heard about it and it was all fun and everybody played games and had punch and then went home and then on the way home there was a wolf in the car?

― papa stank (Neanderthal), Monday, 13 January 2020 21:26 (eleven minutes ago) link

"this fairytale was so predictable!"

― Οὖτις, Monday, January 13, 2020 4:51 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

it's funny how ppl in film threads try to use logic to justify liking shitty movies

OneEyeOpen makes an otm post about how the entire movie had zero suspense or surprise or tension (and max 2 scares), and yall are like "it's a horror movie, SPOILER ALERT people get killed"

like oh, now that you put it that way, it's actually good that this bored the shit out of me

flopson, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:38 (eight months ago) link

it was maximally tense even though we knew sorta what was going to happen bc of the plotting and imagery. everything feels kind of out of control at all times

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:41 (eight months ago) link

however if you just wanna yell at us for enjoying a movie that bored you, go off

american bradass (BradNelson), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 19:41 (eight months ago) link

You're being disingenuous af in suggesting that most of us agreed with OEO's thesis but suggested these were features, not bugs. Most of us disagreed with most of the criticisms in their post outright, and were pointing out having an idea of what would happen in the movie didn't prevent it from being tense, suspenseful, disorienting, or thrilling.

For fucks sake, wanting big surprises and constant rug pulls is how we got the M Night era of horror.

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:04 (eight months ago) link

Xxpost

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:04 (eight months ago) link

BradNelson otm throughout this thread, basically

papa stank (Neanderthal), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:05 (eight months ago) link

there's only one person here trying to apply mathematical principles to the enjoyment of film imo

opden gnash (imago), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:05 (eight months ago) link

zero suspense or surprise or tension

don't feel any of these are required to make a film interesting or worth watching

would argue that the movie has plenty of tension though, not so much based on "what is going to happen!?" but more on the "what the fuck is going on" with the particulars of things like the drugged tea and a bear and people running away screaming in the background or heads getting smashed in with a hammer etc.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 20:16 (eight months ago) link

im like the opposite of brad in that I loved hereditary and it set my expectations way too high for this

sorry for being mean. here are some things i liked about this movie:
-casting of the scandinavians (they looked genuinely inbred)
-score
-cinematography
-costume/set design
-humour (should have been more of it though)

flopson, Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:01 (eight months ago) link

I think Hereditary was genuinely more WTF and unexplained weirdness than Midsommar (certainly more Lovecraftian). Midsommar probably had the better/more interesting design/visuals, though this may simply be a function of USA domesticity v. Swedish folk cult.

An Oral History of Deez Nutz (PBKR), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 21:46 (eight months ago) link

Hereditary was a horror movie disguised as a family drama, and Midsommar is a family drama disguised as a horror movie

babu frik fan account (mh), Tuesday, 14 January 2020 23:02 (eight months ago) link

I'd agree with that but add that Hereditary was a good movie and Midsommar was a cult movie.

Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:01 (eight months ago) link

Midsommar is a family drama transcendental comedy* disguised as a horror movie

*quite like this term. applies as well to...ooh, Toni Erdmann? some von Trier?

opden gnash (imago), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:20 (eight months ago) link

Midsommar’s wikipedia plot summary made more sense and was easier to follow than Hereditary’s

Swilling Ambergris, Esq. (silby), Wednesday, 15 January 2020 00:36 (eight months ago) link

just watched this and i felt i saw a bjork music video fleshed out for 2+ hours.

Western® with Bacon Flavor, Wednesday, 15 January 2020 06:41 (eight months ago) link

three months pass...
three months pass...

"put your disgusting dick away!"

popeye's arse (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 August 2020 01:53 (one month ago) link

this is one of the most idiotic films I've seen

in that case, will I watch this a third time? maybe

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, 8 January 2020 19:57

someone watched it three times. The idea that a ritual could occur every 90 years is the stupidest thing I've encountered in any stupid movie script.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Monday, 17 August 2020 02:09 (one month ago) link

wait til u hear about the "bicentennial"

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 August 2020 02:10 (one month ago) link

I resist posting on popular movie threads about terrible films that people have enjoyed, for whatever reason. Fine, who cares... but this film is just enragingly stupid in every way.

Gerneten-flüken cake (jed_), Monday, 17 August 2020 02:22 (one month ago) link

You don't get it, man, it's a horror movie. It's supposed to be dumb.

Mom jokes are his way of showing affection (to your mom) (PBKR), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:28 (one month ago) link

good movie

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:37 (one month ago) link

I enjoyed it

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:46 (one month ago) link

but jed_ said you're wrong

muntjac wagner (Neanderthal), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:46 (one month ago) link

And I'll never get over the shame of my rongness

Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Monday, 17 August 2020 03:48 (one month ago) link

It wasn't great but it was very good. Sorta like It Follows. It doesn't hold up to close scrutiny but I really liked the thrills.

Cow_Art, Monday, 17 August 2020 04:13 (one month ago) link

The idea that a ritual could occur every 90 years is the stupidest thing I've encountered in any stupid movie script.

?????????????????????????????

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 17 August 2020 06:32 (one month ago) link

EVER??

The GOAT Harold Land (Karl Malone), Monday, 17 August 2020 06:32 (one month ago) link

not even the stupidest thing about this great movie

mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Monday, 17 August 2020 13:06 (one month ago) link

The idea that a ritual could occur every 90 years is the stupidest thing I've encountered

I bet you hated Chrono Trigger then

avellano medio inglés (f. hazel), Monday, 17 August 2020 14:22 (one month ago) link

would absolutely watch Ari Aster's Chrono Trigger

unpaid intern at the darvo institute (Simon H.), Monday, 17 August 2020 14:24 (one month ago) link


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