Is the West Experiencing a Right-Wing Drift?

As we all know, they protest over everything in France unlike use downtrodden forelock-tugging worms over here.

us not use

in the UK they will probably pick some weekend when Ingerland are playing to sneak some bill through parliament - raising the retirement age to 97.

They don’t even need to do that with the majority tbf, they could submit a bill soaked in piss and it’d go straight to the Lords.

xps to Euler re child benefit in Ireland though I think this has been reformed since my family was receiving it

It’s mean in the UK by comparison

thanks gyac, Ireland's child benefit is in line with a number of other EU countries, below France and Germany, but well above Spain, Italy and Greece.

a few questions:

1) are child benefit policies, natalist policies?
2) are natalist policies in general right-wing?
3) are child benefit policies right-wing?

In usa discourse one hears critiques of anti-abortion right-wingers as maintaining that "life ends at birth". Is the implied left response to this critique that the right-wingers should support child benefit policies?

I don't know about anywhere else but child benefits were brought in the UK to stop children starving, they had plenty of children to go round in those days but not all of them were making it into adulthood in one piece. Needless to say, this idea did not originate on the right.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_benefits_in_the_United_Kingdom

Calls began for a specific family payment in the early part of the 20th century. These were successfully opposed by those who saw men, earning higher wages than women, as bread-winners, supporting the family through their wages - family allowance payments were seen as socialist and/or feminist in nature.[2] In addition, eugenicist arguments perceived the poor as unworthy of support.

Generally the right in the UK have been periodically exercised by children being born to the wrong sorts of people, not by not enough children being born. I'm unsure anyone even knows how to spell the word natalism in the UK, right or left.

I think non-means tested, universal benefits for children are too socialist to be considered right wing, even with the implication of conservatism and natalism that could be implied by them. It's a complex question on paper I guess. But when right wing governments start stripping these things away and you get the return of mass child poverty, then you can't really consider it right wing. Unless you are living in some warfare state where they are mainly being "benignly" given sugar cubes and cuddles by the state to boost national military service numbers or something.

Yeah, it was under Trudeau that we started giving families $5600-$6600 a year per child, which has had a good impact in reducing child poverty. We increased immigration at the same time though; maybe the issue is that Hungary is trying to restrict immigration while doing this?

It's official: Golden Dawn judged to be a criminal organisation. Most defendants guilty of most charges. Organised crime, murder, attempted murder, weapons possession. A few brief thoughts... #GDtrial

— Daniel Trilling (@trillingual) October 7, 2020

The Greek police is attacking the people marching against the neo-nazis, entirely unprovoked from what I can see. They are not taking the verdict very well... https://t.co/AqbHjYkKCA

— ʏɪᴀɴɴɪs ʙᴀʙᴏᴜʟɪᴀs (@YiannisBab) October 7, 2020

BBC News - France's Macron issues 'republican values' ultimatum to Muslim leaders.

• Children will be given an IDENTIFICATION NUMBER to help locate them.
• Imams must register.
• No political actions as Muslims.

Macron is going full Marine Le Penhttps://t.co/vJg21Xmkzy

— Alex Tiffin (@RespectIsVital) November 19, 2020

Who could have predicted that happening?

Is this that laicitè I keep hearing about?

Nothing says “no state religion, nbd” quite like chipping the children of a minority you’ve deemed subversive. He’ll still lose to the actual fascist, because if you’re voting along those lines people vote for the real deal every time.

(xp) I think we should leave that to its supporters on ILX to answer.

Oh don’t worry, I’m sure there are some flatulent theories about Muslims wanting to take over France and therefore all this being fine and even desirable en route.

never forget that Vichy France was one and half parts occupation, two and a half parts fascist uprising. They delivered a lot more services to fascism than they ever needed to, from cops dragging children out of houses and delivering them straight to Auschwitz, to their Statute of Jews, which was the most deeply, restrictive anti-Semitic legislation than even in Nazi Germany or 30's Poland. France is one deeply fucked up country, always has been. Not meant in a nationalistic chauvinistic sense, I know the UK is just as fucked up .

It's #Thanksgiving, I've got the day off and I've only got two things on my to do list:

Roast a turkey
Explain the FvD meltdown to all my non-Dutch followers.

Let's do this. #FVDsoap pic.twitter.com/X2Yb3F8PCY

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

This thread is too good not to share, and it's in English so you all can enjoy it. It's about the crumbling and complete implosion of Dutch far-right/alt-right/nazi party Forum voor Democratie, that's been happening the last couple of days. You simply love to see it. It's a long thread, but stick with it, you'll thank me later.

I gotta confess I couldn’t follow that at all, English or not

I lost track of who's who in the zoo somewhere but basically it seems weird creepy Nazis can faction and split as hard as anyone else.

That's what I got, too.

I gotta confess I couldn’t follow that at all, English or not

― is right unfortunately (silby), Thursday, November 26, 2020 9:27 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah, I think you do actually need to know dutch politics for this to be meaningful

On the tragedy/farce tip, which of the Nazi/alt right splinters will become the new Strasserites?

Yeah I get it wasn't easy to follow, but between lying on a piano, sniffing lavender and saying "what is it you guys have against anti-semitism? most people I know are anti-semites!" well, that kind of gives you an idea of what we're dealing with here.

what did lavendar do to deserve any of this

i'm working through it. i have to admit i paused to consider this one at greater length!

Baudet installs a piano in his office at parliament. pic.twitter.com/8ralHulgmk

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

Pictured: Right wing drift

That basically brings us to this very moment unless something happened while I was typing, which it probably did.

I leave you with this photo that Baudet posted on his Instagram. pic.twitter.com/yTsXIbNVUf

— Molly Quell (@MollyQuell) November 26, 2020

I'm grateful his right wing hasn't drifted any further

some people's wing drifts to the right. mine has always drifted a bit to the left

it really depends on which side of the crotch you're accustomed to stuffing your wing down

i'm talking about penises here

ohhhhhhh

fvd tl;dr

forget the fascism, racism, nazism, anti-semitism, misogyny and homophobia, they were the party’s raison d’être and have been out there in the open from the very beginning; it was this song, picked by one his parliamentary hopefuls, that was the actual cause of this right-wing rift - it greatly upset the Lavendery Leader for not being classical enough:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jH1RNk8954Q

(even though in the video, Ava is lying on top of what might, for all we know, be a piano)

they were are the party’s raison d’être

picked by one his parliamentary hopefuls for their ill-fated strategy meeting last Friday, I should have added.
the guy just now defended his choice of music on one of the talk shows here, he felt it was a very appropriate song for the occasion, bless his wannabe-kingly heart (not really)

The int’l secretary for the violent Ukrainian far-right Azov movement has been granted a fellowship in Vienna. Here’s my 2018 interview with her, which shows her connections to US white supremacists & European neo-nazis. She said Azov has global ambitions. https://t.co/zD7FH85xEQ https://t.co/Ta6sCnRDG9

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) January 11, 2021

olena what now

lol I also noticed her name.

Ukrainians are something else, man. Never been in a weirder and more conflicted country in my whole life. Very beautiful tho.

this article comes up with the term "diagonal thinking" to stand in for the incoherent mish-mash of anti-elite & pro-individual yet racist, fascist and pro-conspiracy crazed q-grift cult leader nonsense that so many people seem to have adopted lately. it rattles around in my head sometimes - is there any directionality at all to this mind set? seems more like a raw mass of nerves firing off gibberish refracted through viral meme logic, collecting anything that will have some kind of power over other vulnerable people, i.e. whatever is most available as a front for fascism, i.e. brainworms.

http://bostonreview.net/politics/william-callison-quinn-slobodian-coronapolitics-reichstag-capitol

This passing during this pandemic is really something: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/07/switzerland-on-course-to-ban-wearing-of-burqa-and-niqab-in-public-places

(that said, I assume some anti-maskers voted "yes" because they've recently decided any face covering = oppression)

fuck switzerland

fondue, multi-function knives: good
Davos, racism: bad

Think that about sums it up

My sister-in-law and her family live in Switzerland, it is very pretty but also oppressively dull and ridiculously expensive and painfully white.

this is extremely fucked up

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/17/denmark-plans-to-limit-non-western-residents-in-disadvantaged-areas

What the fuck
That is disgusting

In these neighbourhoods, misdemeanours carry double the legal penalties in place elsewhere, and daycare is mandatory for all children over the age of one, or family allowances are withdrawn.

Seriously what the fuck.

Seeing how relatively unremarked upon Denmark's drift rightward into apartheid has been illuminating (not that I know what to do about it either)

Denmark has been in a very bad place with this for quite a few years now. There was also that policy about forcing refugees to sell valuables to pay for their costs to the nation for hosting them.

Yeah, there were some 2nd cousins on my dad's side who were from Denmark, and there was a time when they visited and one of them started throwing around a racist slur, my dad told him to stop, he told my dad to fuck off, and we've never spoken to or heard from them again, absent a card when my dad's mom died. (I know, very much anecdotal, but the cousin also said, "we use this term regularly in Denmark, what's the big deal," and I remember thinking, "Denmark seems like it sucks.")