Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

perfect

i spent a minute trying to pick out a paragraph or two to paste here but honestly it's all gold, every last word of it

xps I don't think Abrams is a "neolib" but as a person from Georgia who voted for Stacey Abrams in the primary (and would have voted for her in the general if I hadn't moved out of state) I don't understand why people think she's suddenly a strong candidate for the national stage. The simplest explanation is tokenism but I hope there is a better reason.

Sanders now in the lead in RCP's polling for both New Hampshire and Iowa (the latter by a hair, admittedly)

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/

👍

tied with mayo pete in iowa ffs

good luck usa

It's an improvement!

I still can't believe he got away with that "endorsement" scam.

I don't understand why people think she's suddenly a strong candidate for the national stage. The simplest explanation is tokenism but I hope there is a better reason.

I have generally been impressed with Stacey Abrams when I've heard her speak, but there is an element of her fame among liberal white folks that feels kind of fetishistic, like the whole "black women will save us!" trope. I'm thinking of Pod Save America's asking for donations to Fair Fight (Abrams's voting-rights/election-security organization) by saying "don't disappoint Stacey Abrams!"

Biden has maintained a large lead in primary polling on the best candidate to handle foreign policy (48% to 14% Bernie):https://t.co/o9lGd8jiGe
It has not been the most important issue for many Dem voters thus far, but foreign policy crisis could increase its salience pic.twitter.com/ez90wUwil8

— Matt Grossmann (@MattGrossmann) January 3, 2020

biden's record on foreign policy is unimpeachable, it's true

How many foreign policy voters are there in real life, and how many of them live outside northern Virginia

Miami-Dade County, and most of those vote for the GOP.

all the candidates are short of my ideal: 100% isolationism

Choosing a veep is by definition tokenism though isn’t it? I say that while totally acknowledging that kind of calculus is far more fraught for a POC or a woman than for a middle aged white dude who happens to live in Virginia

all the candidates are short of my ideal: 100% isolationism

BUILD THE WALL

How many foreign policy voters are there in real life, and how many of them live outside northern Virginia

Isn't this the area in which the President has the most direct control?

Choosing a veep is by definition tokenism though isn’t it?

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, January 6, 2020 11:56 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

2 veep candidates in the history of the usa were not white men

hell, Vice President Charles Curtis had a native mom!

Hahaha. pic.twitter.com/DaBUR7asQ9

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) January 6, 2020

BUILD THE WALL

― 'Sly Cooper' Movie Breaking Into Theaters In 2016 (bizarro gazzara), Monday, January 6, 2020

...to keep our genocidal military machine behind it

our "foreign policy" is fuckin' bombs p much

Choosing a veep is by definition tokenism though isn’t it?

― Evans on Hammond (evol j), Monday, January 6, 2020 11:56 AM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

2 veep candidates in the history of the usa were not white men

― 525,600 gecs (voodoo chili), Monday, January 6, 2020 12:07 PM (five minutes ago)

I think evol meant that the calculus for choosing a running mate is often based on what/where they represent not their qualifications, etc.

and by that calculus I think she's a good choice, even if the air of inevitability about it from some pundits is def kind of odd. But Abrams as VP with a mandate to focus on voting rights makes way more sense than imagining Warren wasting her final years in public life as Sanders' VP

Someone please tell the Democrats to stop preaching "learn to code" https://t.co/dDx9XUma4H

— Chafee 2020 (@lib_crusher) December 30, 2019

Former 2016 Democratic presidential candidate Lincoln Chafee is taking another shot at the White House, this time as a member of the Libertarian Party.

Chafee, who switched party affiliation in June 2019, submitted his campaign paperwork to the FEC on Sunday. His website is stamped with the logo “Lincoln Chafee, Libertarian For President.”

The metric system won't sell itself.

every time I think of the Libertarian Party I can only see this amazing clip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZITP93pqtdQ

YOUR OWN DAMN TOASTER

lmao i've never seen that before

I always think of G. Johnson gushing over mounting Everest

BUILD THE WALL

btw i never get tired of being accused of being a Trumpist here even if it's not by the intel guy

Ocasio-Cortez isn't wrong about Biden. In Britain he'd be "One Nation" Tory, she'd be old Labour. People here think the Democrats are fundamentally a labor movement, but they're not. They're Jeffersonian.

— Richard M. Nixon (@dick_nixon) January 6, 2020

btw i never get tired of being accused of being a Trumpist here even if it's not by the intel guy

for the record, i wasn't accusing you of being a trumpist, i just a) saw an opportunity for a quick zing and b) think that isolationism isn't supportable when human civilisation as we know it is literally gonna end, and soon, unless superhuman levels of international collaboration start happening

human civilisation as we know it is literally gonna end, and soon, unless superhuman levels of international collaboration start happening

You knew, even as you typed all that, that he's inevitably gonna pretend to think that's a good thing for nihilist cool points, right?

https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.giphy.com%2Fmedia%2FH0DTKkqw8WvCw%2Fgiphy.gif&f=1&nofb=1

i'm no nihilist and fuck you

i'm talking isolationism as in NO MILITARY INTERVENTION EVER

i even voted for that war criminal in the gif in a primary once

you know what feels like nihilism tho? Late capitalism, esp as perpetrated on the poor and sick.

I hope Abrams concentrates on voting rights work until she can run for governor again in 2022. Pundits have been talking about Georgia turning purple for a long time, but the only way I see that happening in the next few years is if she's at the top of the state ticket again.

Abrams' experience in state politics is deep but doesn't give her much of a story to tell about VP qualifications -- especially important for someone backing up an elderly presidential nominee.

otm

After firing all her staff last week @marwilliamson has begun writing her own fundraising emails...🔮😂 pic.twitter.com/9FoEkwDWVK

— Kyle Tharp (@kylewilsontharp) January 6, 2020

I don't think there are any actual intelligence analysts who believe this "culture of martyrdom" stuff. This is message-board level analysis from former Mayor Buttigieg... https://t.co/h5RUvDMoha pic.twitter.com/7Vyolqppaw

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) January 6, 2020

Damn, Ryan didn't have to slam us that hard

he's just mad because he got suggest banned

If Buttigieg posted an Osama thumbsup id vote for him

read it as "culture of mayordom"

other than his usual ability to say precisely nothing in so many words, what’s objectionable about that?

Lol "strong words"

xp, there is a recurring cliche about Iranians that they prioritise the opportunity to be martyred over all else - which at a low level leads to lousy analysis of strategic motivations and, at worst, feeds into the fantasy that the Iranian government is looking to build nuclear weapons to bring about the apocalypse.

should be noted that shia islamists use "martyrdom operations" less often than many other groups (secular leftist and arab nationalist parties in the lebanese civil war were more likely to employ the tactic than islamic jihad/hezbollah)