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eliminate max contracts

max every contract
(tj) ford every stream

It seems to me the obvious problem is that they give max contracts to players like Andrew Wiggins, almost as a matter of course. This reduces the value of the max deals.

Maybe something similar to the nfl’s franchise tag would be better.

the franchise tag is awful for players, absolutely one of the worst mechanisms in existence.

as long as the NBA has a salary cap (and it always will) the lebrons and kawhis and stephs will never be properly paid or valued. wiggins was actually prob fairly paid/valued on his max deal, the problem is that a bunch of other guys on the max are way better than him and underpaid. in some free market uncapped scenario i bet wiggins would still be making roughly what he is now, but it wouldn't look as insane bcuz lebron would be making $50 million per year or whatever

what's interesting to me is that the CBA has not been able to accurately predict or account for shifts in player priorities. the owners really fucked up in the last negotiations... they implemented all these crazy rules to prevent player movement and they've all backfired. it turns out that being able to offer your best player $200 million a year before any other team doesn't mean that the guy is just going to say "ok :)" and then he's on your team for life... and if he does say yes your reward is an albatross contract that can sink your franchise with one bad injury.

i don't see a way for the brons or kawhis to ever be properly valued... their importance is just far too skewed, and ultimately capping their salaries allows money to flow to other players in the league, which can be bad for teams when they spend money on bad players but is good for the players. i think a good fix would be implementing some sort of permanent amnesty clause that you can use once every x number of years so that what's happening w/ the wizards basically is a bit more preventable.

also exceeding the salary cap for certain players has been built into the CBA for a while now, i feel like they could institute some sort of 1 use-only mega max that is capped at i.e. $25 million or w/e for cap purposes but above that the team can pay the player whatever amount of money they want.

the other big problem is that the contracts that are coming closest to properly paying the best guys are doing so on the downslope of their career. it's silly to me that various versions of the max contract (25%, 35%, etc.) are tied to service time.

Yah that big max should be available on those early prime years

as long as the NBA has a salary cap (and it always will) the lebrons and kawhis and stephs will never be properly paid or valued. wiggins was actually prob fairly paid/valued on his max deal, the problem is that a bunch of other guys on the max are way better than him and underpaid. in some free market uncapped scenario i bet wiggins would still be making roughly what he is now, but it wouldn't look as insane bcuz lebron would be making $50 million per year or whatever

The league has a policy of paying top 5 picks the max if they don’t completely shit the bed in their first 4 years and that doesn’t make sense.

They get in situations where sunk costs and the costs of changing directions of the team add up to paying Jamal Murray the max for being the leagues 14th best shooting guard

those guys get the 25% max which is nowhere near as destructive as the contract chris paul is on.

the other big problem is that the contracts that are coming closest to properly paying the best guys are doing so on the downslope of their career. it's silly to me that various versions of the max contract (25%, 35%, etc.) are tied to service time.

― call all destroyer, Sunday, January 5, 2020 8:10 PM (thirty-seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

yeah this is terrible. all these guys that are gonna be making $50M a year when they're 36 is fucked.

iirc this was driven by cp3 who led the players association to negotiate a cba that happened to largely benefit himself

it benefitted him and his class of player. vets who are involved in the players association aren't going to pay themselves less.

cp3 is gangster, role players are fools for not getting a bigger slice of the pie

it cld def use tweaking but i like generally how the nba contract situation works FWIW they set out to thread the needle between parity, teams retaining stars, and player freedom of movement which is the correct view and they kinda pulled it off imho its a good balance, and it has a high drama factor which is good

def prefer it to the hard capping of the nfl or the tax disincentives of mlb, the open market of soccer is by far the worst tho

one thing soccer has tho is promotion and relegation which is prob the best mechanism in all of sport m8

nba relegation would be amazing

they shd work towards incorporating the g league in this scenario (will never happen but in a better universe would)

nba w 20 teams plus a bunch more trying to claw their way in wld be so tite

i would be elated if a ridiculous regional g league team somehow scraped their way into the league a la the red claws stockton kings or whatever

would be interesting to see what the distribution of salaries as a percentage of the cap has looked like over time. maybe there have been times when there were lots of middle-sized contracts or times when a lot of money was going to the biggest contracts.

it cld def use tweaking but i like generally how the nba contract situation works FWIW they set out to thread the needle between parity, teams retaining stars, and player freedom of movement which is the correct view and they kinda pulled it off imho its a good balance, and it has a high drama factor which is good

― lag∞n, Monday, January 6, 2020 12:09 AM (eight hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

mostly agree with this! i think the weird soft cap and associated rules add a lot of intrigue.

check out this crazy old college 3pt line

https://i.imgur.com/NbEyrsD.jpg

michael jordan is playing there fyi

In 1982, college basketball's scoring reached a low point. The ACC Tournament title game featured North Carolina using a four-corner delay offense against Virginia. The Tar Heels won 47-45 but the game made for poor viewing to a nationally televised audience.

So before the 1983 season, with the NCAA's permission, the ACC and a few mid-major conferences tinkered with their league rules to increase scoring.

Free to set its own parameters, the ACC decided to adopt a 30-second shot clock and a 3-point line that was about two feet shorter than the one used today. The current line is 19 feet, 9 inches measured from the middle of the basket.

"I can remember it wasn't widely accepted _ or unanimously accepted," said UNC coach Roy Williams, a Tar Heel assistant at the time, said of the 3-point shot.

Duke coach Mike Krzyzewski was not a supporter.

"I was not and I was dumb,” Krzyzewski said. ”The 3-point shot is excellent."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb-playoffs-new-format-nba-reseeding-053243801.html

"It introduces incremental incentives. There’s incentive to be the best team in a league, not simply a division winner, because top seeds earn first-round byes.

There’s incentive to win your division, even if you can’t reach that top seed, because doing so earns you three home games in a three-game, first-round series.

If you can’t win your division, there’s incentive to finish with the top record among wild cards, which earns you three first-round home games as well. The alternative is zero.

And of course, there’s incentive to make the playoffs – which, after expansion, would become a realistic goal for a supermajority of the league, even as the season reaches its August-September home stretch.

Because of those incremental incentives, expansion doesn’t render the regular season meaningless. It just spreads meaning far and wide, distributing it throughout the standings, creating new playoff races in new places, all while maintaining the traditional ones. Because no two playoff berths would be equal."

i think most of these types of pieces and proposals have the cart way ahead of the horse. philosophically the north american sports need to decide for themselves what they want to regular season to mean and what they want the playoffs to mean.

i hate all of these calls from like 2:12 on and the style of play they encourage

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOTGrk3ypN0

what kind of sadist put together 8 minutes of trae young drawing touch fouls

its amazing that it took 100+ years of basketball before guys realized if you just stop and shoot while going around a screen the trailing defender will run into you

Seattle Mayor Jenny Durkan said she has talked with NBA commissioner Adam Silver and is "pretty optimistic" about landing an expansion franchise. https://t.co/JUVSYgnjT5

— NBA on ESPN (@ESPNNBA) January 8, 2021

nice, long long overdue

excited to see this nba, is smart to expand. there is so much talent they can easily accommodate an extra 30 players. if they dont abandon divisions, they shd at least do four 8-team divisions imo.

I wonder who would get the 32nd team. Jacksonville? Baltimore?

vegas

The Vegas Gamblers

wld be cool to do a gambling themed name, the whales, the high rollers...

the sharks

seattle and vegas would be awesome. im kinda bummed about expansion tho. 30 was always a good number to me. if anything i thought they should contract a couple teams and move a couple others to seattle and vegas.

lol stumping for basketball is probably the only thing failed mayor Jenny Durkan can do that won’t make people yell at her at this point

Expand to 48 and do an upper and lower division with relegation and promotion

that wld be sick

there's already not enough elite players to fill the league but whatever i'm down for more basketball

ppl seem to think that maybe louisville or nashville would be in play for the other spot. nashville apparently tried to get the raptors this season. tampa would also be in play given this season

just looked at metro area populations and the biggest ones w/o teams in order are san diego tampa baltimore vegas and austin tho the nba im sure looks at a larger area than that like all those places except vegas have teams fairly close, but they all also do have successful teams in other sports too

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metropolitan_statistical_areas

I wonder who would get the 32nd team. Jacksonville? Baltimore?

― Fetchboy, Friday, January 8, 2021 2:54 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

would love it if they brought basketball back to st. louis