GUIDED BY VOICES vs STONE TEMPLE PILOTS

calstars at 2:31 3 Jan 20

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They should've done a couple comps, best-ofs from the various eras. You could easily slap together a tremendous collection just from stuff on the first handful of albums/EPs/7-inches, for instance.

'Paper Girl'! 'Long Distance Man'! That solo at the end of 'Earful o' Wax' (one of the best in rock imo)!

there is enough creative energy in the ancient box set of pre-Bee GBV albums to fuel a zillion more albums
STP's creative energy sounds like the barely audible beep of a battery running out of juice by comparison

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 3:28 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Most of his solo stuff is great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmzNVUAuuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l66BzacTSkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgBa4ewzcg

GBV is one of those “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands. :P

I’ve been there! Like, tell me you don’t like The Fall — “well, what have you heard?” etc.

one of my things with stp is i absolutely hate core, singles included

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, January 3, 2020 1:15 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dead and bloated is tons o fun imo. could leave the rest on core tho.

purple is a personal classic. i like every song on it. still remains is my fav tho.

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 3:28 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I will vouch for the first two albums, especially Maid to Order and 100% Delay off Let's Welcome the Circus People and the title track, Beast of Souls, and Angels Hang Their Socks on the Moon off Moonflower Plastic.

I cannot fathom making a judgment on the music of GBV on the basis of an album-length best-of. You gotta do the full 45,816-song plunge.

The Fall vs GBV

^that would get me to vote for GBV

The Fall and GBV are my two favorite bands and if nothing else have frontman monomania in common

but I can't for the life of me understand how both are “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands

If you don't dig The Fall you probably don't like that brand of repetition and MES' delivery, whether they're doing dance, rockabilly, krautrock whatever

But not liking *any* GBV is just weird...Bob doesn't have any one thing he does. He sings and writes in a range of styles and makes records in every conceivable production mode. He's a great singer. Unless there are ppl who just don't like hooks? Is that a type? But even if you don't like hooks...do you like Acid folk? Classic rock? Prog? Noise? Punk?

OR DO YOU REALLY LIKE ROCK AND ROLL?

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp) at 2:53 3 Jan 20

GBV is one of those “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands. :P

I’ve been there! Like, tell me you don’t like The Fall — “well, what have you heard?” etc.

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther

I'm listening to Purple right now, most likely for the first time in 20+ years. I had it on cassette, this must have been one of the last cassettes I bought, I switched to CD somewhere in 94-95 and mostly left my cassette collection behind. This isn't bad, I actually remember all of these songs so far. Actually enjoying this way more than when I revisited Soundgarden due to that other thread.

This is the only album by either of these bands that I've ever owned. What I've heard of Guided By Voices here and there has never really pushed me to seek out their stuff.

Defending gbv feels so 20 years ago

They released like 5 albums last year! (and at least one was good)

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 4:21 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nah these two are too similar, if you don't like B000 OR Vampire On Titus OR Mag Earwhig OR Isolation Drills...then I don't know, maybe there's some kind of corrective surgery

no hes right

Defending gbv feels so 20 years ago

― calstars, Friday, January 3, 2020 1:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

srsly its like defending the vu... some things just arent for everyone

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 4:21 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I can see someone loving Earthquake Glue and then checking out those two albums and not really being down with the lo-fi, low-attention-span weirdness despite the tunes.

exactly

xp not if you're turned off by the production on those two albums

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― calstars, Friday, January 3, 2020 3:31 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

dunno exactly what my gbv pox would look like and i'll never put myself through the pain of trying to make one but i'm certain this would be on it

i just think the songwriting and general "frission" took a major nosedive after '95.. it doesn't appeal to me

And now we see eye to eye
That another man's trash is collectible
And every weakness is correctable

Speaking of highlights, just want to share this great piano version of Wondering Boy Poet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSggyzJH9nI

lotta gems on the first suitcase.. full band version of "spring tigers" <3 <3 <3

kinda wish scott weiland wouldve recorded a whole loungey album a la "and so i know"

Assuming you already have, but check out Weiland's solo records if you haven't. Quite a few more loungey leaning moments on those, iirc.

lol I actually haven’t, thx for the tip

12 Bar Blues is a really good record, I actually come back to it more often than STP proper these days - start there. Happy in Galoshes is a bloated mess with some great gems. I haven't heard Blaster since it came out, but I don't recall liking it much at all.

agreed that 12 bar blues is v good

Unless there are ppl who just don't like hooks? Is that a type?

It’s something about his kind of hooks, and his singing/songwriting style... idk. I guess he’s heavily influenced by older British bands (not really my bag)?

But that's the thing, I think maybe this is a misconception by ppl who haven't dug very deeply—yeah he's totally influenced by the Davies bros and the Who etc., but at least as much by Wire, Genesis, Rocket From The Tombs, loads of stuff that isn't remotely British Invasion

I guess this where I should say that, beyond Purple, I wouldn't stump for more than a couple STP/Weiland tracks, and I certainly wouldn't stump that hard.

i think tiny music is better than purple and i find it weird that ppl don't agree

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjLiO7BlpuI

this is my fuckin favorite stp song

I've listened to a couple of the post-Purple joints, Weiland's 12-Bar Blues, even the Talk Show album, and my feeling is they pretty much shot all they had that second time out.

It's a good one, for sure.

xp

I didnt like his voice as much after purple

Tiny Music has the best ratio of great/good non-singles.

One of my favorite 2010s songs is a non-Pollard from the double LP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQzw0kn-GfU

Pollard would write a lyric with the phrase "humble kidney pie."

re: tiny music, i routinely forget how good "adhesive" is too. it sounds like a psych emo song with a trumpet solo

best album track on purple is "unglued" imo

which my best friend and I loved when it first aired cos "masturbation" is the third word

I loved "Lounge Fly", but only cos I recognized the part of the song that was used on MTV

"Adhesive" is rad

young me had a hard time adjusting to Tiny Music's expansion into other genres and wearing more of their 70s influences on their sleeves

adult me is all about that shit. like I hated "And So I Know" with a passion then, but right now this shit makes me wanna get in a goddamn jacuzzi with a mai tai

I love "Adhesive", it was one of the many tracks where I wondered if he sucked helium out of a balloon before recording though.

also hate the Ju-On esque "i told you five or four times" gross vocal thing at the end of "Art School Girl"

The move toward Bowie/Zeppelin/Lennon was exactly what pulled me in.

yeah I was just spinning through Tiny Music and I really dig it much more now than I did as a kid. really let the DeLeos play to their strengths