GUIDED BY VOICES vs STONE TEMPLE PILOTS

i wanna drank from your naked fountain

i guess "creep" walked so "big empty" could run but i still don't like "creep" at all

Bob devalued the catalogue as a whole when he decided to carry on post breakup

xpost Yeah, say what you will about them otherwise but it's hard to argue that Purple wasn't a freakin' quantum leap from STP's debut.

I don't know that I've heard a second of post-breakup GBV.

even if it was, it was a quantum leap into a place i had no interest in visiting

like sub-sub-zero interest

The best of is shit, just listen to bee thousand ffs. If you don’t like it IT’S OK we don’t need to hear about it

stone temple pilots are dumb and bad

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

Okay, now I need to check the tracklisting for the GBV greatest hits now and see just how wrong they got it.

xp yeah the first solo album is great, also the eyesinweasel double lp of demos.

human amusements has a great tracklist imo

like, freakin "exit flagger" is on it thank god

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Don’t forget, It’s like soul, man

it is missing "quality of armor" tho

Doesn’t it have the shitty Tigerbomb re-recordings of Hunting Knife and Motor Away tho? Blech

Re: Hourly Amusements...Hmmm, okay, they included most of the obvious 'hits', way too much focus on later years, surprisingly includes a couple cuts off the early albums, some weird inclusions. I approve of kicking it off with the intro to Alien Lanes. Yeah, it could be worse but you're missing a helluva lot of nuance if you're basing your opinion of the band on this relatively random collection of songs.

i actually love the tigerbomb versions

And too much post-alien lanes stuff but that’s just my taste

"hunting knife" is the alien lanes version btw

calstars at 2:31 3 Jan 20

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They should've done a couple comps, best-ofs from the various eras. You could easily slap together a tremendous collection just from stuff on the first handful of albums/EPs/7-inches, for instance.

'Paper Girl'! 'Long Distance Man'! That solo at the end of 'Earful o' Wax' (one of the best in rock imo)!

there is enough creative energy in the ancient box set of pre-Bee GBV albums to fuel a zillion more albums
STP's creative energy sounds like the barely audible beep of a battery running out of juice by comparison

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 3:28 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Most of his solo stuff is great!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVmzNVUAuuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l66BzacTSkY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iUgBa4ewzcg

GBV is one of those “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands. :P

I’ve been there! Like, tell me you don’t like The Fall — “well, what have you heard?” etc.

one of my things with stp is i absolutely hate core, singles included

― american bradass (BradNelson), Friday, January 3, 2020 1:15 PM (nineteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

dead and bloated is tons o fun imo. could leave the rest on core tho.

purple is a personal classic. i like every song on it. still remains is my fav tho.

listening to the first Tobin Sprout solo album, pretty good stuff never checked his solo stuff out

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 3:28 PM (five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I will vouch for the first two albums, especially Maid to Order and 100% Delay off Let's Welcome the Circus People and the title track, Beast of Souls, and Angels Hang Their Socks on the Moon off Moonflower Plastic.

I cannot fathom making a judgment on the music of GBV on the basis of an album-length best-of. You gotta do the full 45,816-song plunge.

The Fall vs GBV

^that would get me to vote for GBV

The Fall and GBV are my two favorite bands and if nothing else have frontman monomania in common

but I can't for the life of me understand how both are “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands

If you don't dig The Fall you probably don't like that brand of repetition and MES' delivery, whether they're doing dance, rockabilly, krautrock whatever

But not liking *any* GBV is just weird...Bob doesn't have any one thing he does. He sings and writes in a range of styles and makes records in every conceivable production mode. He's a great singer. Unless there are ppl who just don't like hooks? Is that a type? But even if you don't like hooks...do you like Acid folk? Classic rock? Prog? Noise? Punk?

OR DO YOU REALLY LIKE ROCK AND ROLL?

Into the Bro-known: One Dude’s ‘Frozen’ Podcast (morrisp) at 2:53 3 Jan 20

GBV is one of those “You’re just not listening to the right stuff...” bands. :P

I’ve been there! Like, tell me you don’t like The Fall — “well, what have you heard?” etc.

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther

I'm listening to Purple right now, most likely for the first time in 20+ years. I had it on cassette, this must have been one of the last cassettes I bought, I switched to CD somewhere in 94-95 and mostly left my cassette collection behind. This isn't bad, I actually remember all of these songs so far. Actually enjoying this way more than when I revisited Soundgarden due to that other thread.

This is the only album by either of these bands that I've ever owned. What I've heard of Guided By Voices here and there has never really pushed me to seek out their stuff.

Defending gbv feels so 20 years ago

They released like 5 albums last year! (and at least one was good)

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther
― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 4:21 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Nah these two are too similar, if you don't like B000 OR Vampire On Titus OR Mag Earwhig OR Isolation Drills...then I don't know, maybe there's some kind of corrective surgery

no hes right

Defending gbv feels so 20 years ago

― calstars, Friday, January 3, 2020 1:25 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

srsly its like defending the vu... some things just arent for everyone

honestly, if you listen to Bee Thousand and Alien Lanes and don't like em yr probably good on not going farther

― Blues Guitar Solo Heatmap (Free Download) (upper mississippi sh@kedown), Friday, January 3, 2020 4:21 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I can see someone loving Earthquake Glue and then checking out those two albums and not really being down with the lo-fi, low-attention-span weirdness despite the tunes.

exactly

xp not if you're turned off by the production on those two albums

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― calstars, Friday, January 3, 2020 3:31 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

dunno exactly what my gbv pox would look like and i'll never put myself through the pain of trying to make one but i'm certain this would be on it

i just think the songwriting and general "frission" took a major nosedive after '95.. it doesn't appeal to me

And now we see eye to eye
That another man's trash is collectible
And every weakness is correctable

Speaking of highlights, just want to share this great piano version of Wondering Boy Poet:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSggyzJH9nI

lotta gems on the first suitcase.. full band version of "spring tigers" <3 <3 <3

kinda wish scott weiland wouldve recorded a whole loungey album a la "and so i know"

Assuming you already have, but check out Weiland's solo records if you haven't. Quite a few more loungey leaning moments on those, iirc.

lol I actually haven’t, thx for the tip

12 Bar Blues is a really good record, I actually come back to it more often than STP proper these days - start there. Happy in Galoshes is a bloated mess with some great gems. I haven't heard Blaster since it came out, but I don't recall liking it much at all.