Todd Rundgren: C or D

Gahhhh I love the first two Utopia records

I adore "Freak Parade"

the lyrics on this are pretty bad but man you could've fooled me into thinking this was a 40 year old outtake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dmUlUNh0zU

He sounds of reasonably good voice. Smart to put the vocals deeper into the mix. Not bad, TR.

I'm here waiting for the election to be called, listening to Todd Rundgren's Todd and feeling ready to cry. this album reminds me so much of my Dad. he's still alive by the way. but it reminds me of growing up with him. he used to play songs from this particular album on the piano all the time. I never knew what they were (as a kid, I assumed my Dad wrote them himself). many years later I find the album Todd and realize that I already know half of these songs well. particularly "Don't You Ever Learn?" which I LOVED, it was my favorite thing for him to play. gets me so emotional lately. "A Dream Goes On Forever"...what a fucking tune

I react that way in general to Rundgren's greatest songs; wish I could say the same of my dad, but he was a Chubby Checker guy.

Love the Todd album except for the synth stuff at the beginning of side 4. I even shot a video for An Elpee's Worth of Tunes in high school.

It's startling to realize he released this double album (his second in 3 years) and the hour-long Utopia debut all in 1974.

Just heard the Nazz version of 'Hello, It's Me' for the first time yesterday (didn't even know it existed until very recently). Quite different from the solo version but also great in its own way.

I've mentioned it elsewhere on the board but I sincerely can't get through 'Sometimes I Don't Know How to Feel' without starting to cry. Every damn time.

Frogs, I love reading your tales of your dad and his affinity for prog.

I would love to be in a crowded bar tonite, drunk, singing "Sons of 1984" at the top of my lungs with a bunch of strangers. That won't happen, obviously, because of the pandemic and because nobody outside this thread knows that song. But it's how I feel right now!

last time I saw my Dad when we got in the car he said "I gotta play this song for you...it's called Firth of Fifth" and I was like "Dad are you just finding out about this now?"

Todd has a few other songs from the mid-70s that fit the moment - Just One Victory and Freedom Fighters. His literal Trump song is Tin Foil Hat, from White Knight, with Donald Fagen singing.

Starting side 2 of A Wizard/A True Star with Sometimes I Don't Know What to Feel and ending it with Just One Victory is a steep upward emotional trajectory!

I always thought that in a just world, fans of victorious sports teams would sing "Just One Victory" after the final game, rather than (or maybe included with) "We Are The Champions."

when he played here (in Sheboygan!!!) they played the video for Tin Foil Hat during one of the costume changes and maaan did it make some people uncomfortable

the Utopia album Swing to the Right has some pretty political themes but honestly I forget that album exists sometimes. between his solo career and Utopia he made like 10 albums between 77 and 84

I've always assumed "Heavy Metal Kids" was a parody song, along the lines of "Earache My Eye." The opening riff is basically "Cat Scratch Fever", though I'm not sure if Todd's song came before or after Ted's. I think before?

Todd's song was three years before the Nugent song. Chuck Eddy mentioned the coincidence that Todd and Ted were the two musicians on the Nuggets compilation who actually went on to become stars instead of one-hit wonders.

The philosophy of Heavy Metal Kids, such as it is, always seemed to owe more to (proto-)punk than what was known as metal in 1974. It's interesting that Todd had connections to punk (producing New York Dolls, dating Patti Smith) at the same time that he was exploring prog and MOR ballads, and was at least friendly with the rock aristocracy (if not a member).

swing to the right is a p solid album, imo

he closed with “one world” when I saw him a few years ago (same tour as frogbs I think)

Did any Democrats take up "Just One Victory" that Rundgren wanted?

He recently said he does not want Republican fans and several years ago he said that every Republican is on some level a coward.

surely dems want more than one

I just came across Paul Myers blog, which posted a lot of material he used for his book on Rundgren. Great read, even if you're not a fan of Rundgren's own recordings. (I kind of am - there's probably a lot he's done that I don't like, but I only listen to what I do, and I like it a lot.)

Not sure where the Rundgren entries actually start, but here's the one of the New York Dolls:

https://pulmyears.wordpress.com/2010/09/15/wizard-wednesdays-new-york-dolls-1973/

that book is absolutely indispensable if you are a todd person… there is however a very peculiar flaw: Myers states at the outset that he is not going to get into his personal life, or possibly salacious material re: his relationships, exploits with groupies…and yet he does talk about his time with Bebe buell and how he raised Liv Tyler despite not having sired her… but he does not talk about his early life in Philadeplhia, anything about his parents or siblings or anything about the circumstances as such… his story begins when Todd gets in to the Beatles and Gilbert & Sullivan… its a huge demerit, insofar as one's family background does tend to be hugely influential on the course of the rest of one's life…I can only surmise that Todd didn't want to talk about this and made not doing so a condition of his participation with the book, which otherwise is staggering…

Todd's own memoirs, published since Myers' book came out, get into his family background. Todd's book has a very strange format - each verso page describes "the facts" around a particular subject, while the recto page facing it describes what he was thinking at the time, and then his later reflections on the events. It's a very bold move for an autobiography, but of course prevents it from having any kind of conventional literary flow. It ends with his 50th birthday and first marriage, after which he says his life became too conventional to warrant description.

a family friend was working on a power line in kawaii several years ago and Todd came out and asked him how it was going. I know, who cares, but the important part is that Todd was eating a chicken drumstick at the time.

That encounter didn't make it into his memoirs.

A few years ago, I came across Todd Rundgren's guest appearance on Daryl Hall's show - they filmed Todd's guest appearance at his home in Hawaii, and holy fucking hell did the view look amazing. I can't find a good copy of it - all the YouTube uploads are in crummy 360p and you really need it in clean HD to see how gorgeous his enormous "backyard" looks.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlykZ8ZbUaY

This is a random-ass long shot, but does anyone know the origin of the sweater Todd wears on the cover of the Todd album? Looks like a cherry-print(?) cardigan(??). Would love to cop

a couple of months back i had a binge of watching interviews with todd and andy partridge about the making of 'skylarking', both sides still bickering about the other, it all just seemed to devolve into psychic warfare between the two parties, each trying to undermine the other in some way. i'm sure you all know the story. anyhow, at one point andy walked past the desk and todd said to him in a really snide voice: "where d'ya buy your jeans? ...russia?" and that phrase has been making me lol for weeks now i swear

LOL. Skylarking is easily my favorite Rundgren production. I love XTC and I know there was a lot of tension, but Rundgren was a big reason why that ended up being their best album IMHO.

Actually here's Dave Gregory's interview from that same blog, and he must keep a diary because his email responses to each question were amazingly detailed:

https://pulmyears.wordpress.com/2010/09/22/wizard-wednesdays-exclusive-skylarking-bonus-notes-with-xtcs-dave-gregory/

yeah even Andy admits Rundgren was instrumental to the album's success. I saw some interview about the album and remember coming away thinking that Todd was the element that really put it over the top. what's weird is that it doesn't sound like anything else Todd was doing at the time - in fact he was going all in on that shit digital sound that nearly ruined Big Express

Mike's brother--would definitely read that.

new single with The Roots. guess the next album is all collabs again (which is good!) and it's gonna be named Space Force, lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfjM5P2WnK4

his voice is still pretty good isn't it?

Has a funny minute in the Fanny documentary.

xpost Yeah he sounds good! Even more excited to be seeing him live in a few weeks now.

I just watched a deleted scene on the Sparks documentary dvd where Russell talks about how in the early 2000s he had to start going to the gym every day just to keep his voice strong and especially to bring his falsetto back. Wouldn't be surprised if Todd has a similar routine.

(There's also a deleted scene of Ron and Russell reuniting with Todd after 40+, which is kind of awkward but also pretty sweet.)

apropos of nothing I'd like to share this Nazz song about a pig born into a man's body who decides to become a police officer to beat people up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IdK-pE2r_A

learned a fun fact about Initiation - apparently when the album was recorded it was even longer, presumably because it was supposed to be a double, but there was a plastic shortage which forced him to try to get it all on one LP. to accomplish this he just sped up most of the tunes - the first 4 tracks and the entire second half. Apparently "A Treatise on Cosmic Fire" was originally 42 minutes and wound up getting sped up an entire semitone. I suppose that is why the album sounds so unnatural. I've heard the "Real Man" 7 inch has these tracks at the "correct" speed (the B-side is a short excerpt of "Treatise") but I don't have it so I can't say. Either way strange he never tried to "fix" it when the CDs came out. Maybe he just liked it better that way!

That is bizarre

Isn't each side of that one about 30 minutes? I figured the smaller/tighter groove caused the thin sound.

inventor of nightcore!

yeah that's true of several of his 70s albums - Wizard & the s/t Utopia one especially. I always suspected "Utopia Theme" and "The Ikon" were sped up on certain non-singing sections. Hard to prove because there isn't really any information out there, but I am guessing that even Todd knew better than to put out a 67-minute single LP.

He knew better, but that's the duration of Initiation as released!

right - what I'm speculating is that it was originally a 72-minute double LP, but someone at the label told him he had to cut it to a single due to the plastic shortage, so instead of cutting anything he just sped parts of it up until it fit

Where did you hear that? I just quickly AB’d a bunch of versions of Real Man (including live versions) the j Spotify and they’re all in the same key, maybe one or two of them are a bit sharp.

Interesting
Makes you wonder how often masters were slowed / sped up unbeknownst to the listener. Is there a thread ?
Zoe’s levee (slowed) and Remains (sped up) are the two I can think of quickly

From Wikipedia

At over sixty-seven minutes, Initiation is one of the longest commercially-released LPs due to a plastic shortage. In order to keep the album on one vinyl LP Rundgren had to limit and EQ the master so the bass response was rolled off to keep the grooves small enough to cut onto a single disc, he also had to speed up the first half of Side One (Real Man-Eastern Intrigue)and speed up the entirety of Side Two to eliminate 2-3 minutes from each side(5). The album's original inner sleeve included a note which stated: "Technical note: Due to the amount of music on this disc (over one hour), two points must be emphasized. Firstly, if your needle is worn or damaged, it will ruin the disc immediately. Secondly, if the sound does seem not loud enough on your system, try re-recording the music onto tape. By the way, thanks for buying the album."

What percentage would you need to speed something up to change the key?

Since double speed is up one octave, about 8% per semitone?

masters were slowed / sped up

The whole Layla album was originally sped up, according to the liner notes on the remixed version.

I dunno, I still kind of doubt it was sped up that much given that all the live versions are in the as-released key and his voice sounds the same (it’s not an easy song to sing). But at the same time I wouldn’t put it past Todd to teach his entire band to play something in, say, D# just because they could.

Makes you wonder how often masters were slowed / sped up unbeknownst to the listener. Is there a thread ?

Not that uncommon back in the day. Singles especially.

"Glory" on Television's "Adventure" is definitely sped up.