Pulp: C.L.A.S.S.I.C.O.R.D.U.D?

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Mind you that was seven years ago, and things were very different then.

Alba (Alba), Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:13 (eighteen years ago) link

Does it only cost ten pounds from a shop just down the road?

James Mitchell (James Mitchell), Sunday, 22 May 2005 16:31 (eighteen years ago) link

I have "The Park Is Mine" on VHS. After I saw that vid, my appreciation for "This Is Hardcore" skyrocketed.

MindInRewind (Barry Bruner), Sunday, 22 May 2005 17:01 (eighteen years ago) link

DOGS ARE EVERYWHERE

Sonny, Ah!!1 (Sonny A.), Sunday, 22 May 2005 17:23 (eighteen years ago) link

eight months pass...
Nothing new from Pulp, but this is still something I'd like to have:

JARVIS COCKER & STEVE MACKEY The Trip (2006 UK 2-CD album set featuring a
35-track collection compiled by the founder members of Pulp and DJs /
record collectors / music lovers extraordinaire with an amazing journey
through power pop, expansive soundtracks, blues, alternative cover
versions, junk shop breaks and genuinely unexpected musical nuggets!). **
released 06 March 2006 **

CD One:
1. Carl Orff - Gassenhauer
2. The Birthday Party - Release The Bats
3. Porter Wagoner - The Rubber Room
4. Psychic TV - Just Drifting
5. Dory Previn - The Lady With The Braid
6. Bob Lind - Cool Summer
7. Gene Pitney - 24 Sycamore
8. Animated Egg - Sock It My Way
9. The Beach Boys - Feel Flows
10. Bonnie Dobson - Winter's Going
11. Arlo Guthrie - I'm Going Home
12. Bobbie Bare - Don't Think Twice
13. Alan Vega - Jukebox Babe
14. OMD - Waiting For The Man
15. The Human League - Rock N Roll
16. Lieutenant Pigeon - The Villain
17. Add N To (X) - King Wasp
18. The Fall - Lost In Music
19. Moondog - Pastoral

CD Two:
1. Elton Motello - Jet Boy Jet Girl
2. The Polecats - John I'm Only Dancing
3. Electronicat - Wop Do Wop
4. Johnny Wakelin - In Zaire
5. Quixotic - Mortal Mirror
6. Jonathan Richman - Egyptian Reggae
7. Lee Hazelwood - Pour Man
8. Screaming Lord Sutch - Flashing Light
9. John Cooper Clark - Beasley Street
10. David Essex - Rock On
11. Georges De La Rue - Les Visiteurs
12. Sonny Bono - Pammies On A Bummer
13. The Everly Brothers - I Wonder If I Care As Much
14. Dion - Purple Haze
15. Neil Sedaka - Going Nowhere
16. Ronald Binge - Sailing By

Ned Raggett (Ned), Friday, 27 January 2006 02:10 (eighteen years ago) link

Pulp as of today at.. 9:28pm and at least for the last ten years... CLASSIC!

elgolfo (elgolfo), Friday, 27 January 2006 03:29 (eighteen years ago) link

Pammies on a Bummer?? Oh, Jesus.

(I still want this though)

tokyo nursery school: afternoon session (rosemary), Friday, 27 January 2006 04:42 (eighteen years ago) link

the title of this thread deserves some applause.

rajeev (rajeev), Friday, 27 January 2006 05:27 (eighteen years ago) link

Total classic. The band that made my 14 year old self realise the relative mediocrity of Blur and Oasis, and embrace my inner pop slut.
Saw them live twice. Once in the cold and rain of T In the Park 98, doing an awesome This Is Hardcore amidst sepulchral lights, and then at Gig on The Green in Glasgow in 2002, criminally billed below The Strokes (who to their credit acknowledged the injustice. "Jarvis Cocker is the coolest fuckin guy" etc). One of their last shows and a glorious affirmation of their greatness. Few things can be better than dancing to Babies.

stew!, Friday, 27 January 2006 15:59 (eighteen years ago) link

seven months pass...
ok today it hit me that if pulp lyrics were delivered with a more upbeat inflection they could totally be cali skate-punk pop.

Sterling Clover (s_clover), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Cause lord knows that's the first music I think of when I listen to "This is Hardcore"...

Ned Raggett (Ned), Monday, 28 August 2006 03:22 (seventeen years ago) link

I could see "This is Hardcore" being the unironic title of something punk produced.

Cunga (Cunga), Monday, 28 August 2006 05:50 (seventeen years ago) link

Obviously classic, but why is "His'n'Hers" mentioned so rarely these days? I still see it as one of their best albums.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Monday, 28 August 2006 09:02 (seventeen years ago) link

Classic but gathering a lot of dust.
That, of course, might change with all those re-issues.

clodia pulchra (emo by proxy), Monday, 28 August 2006 11:19 (seventeen years ago) link

I'd like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

Mr. Snrub (Mr. Snrub), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 09:30 (seventeen years ago) link

His'N'Hers IS their best album, followed by We Love Life and then This Is Hardcore. Aside from the first four tracks I don't care much for Different Class. The other three are all far more imaginative, interesting albums IMO.

Classic: EVERY SINGLE SONG THEY DID over 5:30 in length (except Sylvia). Check it out, it works. It's how I'd do their Best Of (with Lipgloss and Dishes tacked on perhaps).

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:10 (seventeen years ago) link

Spanish new romantic disco act Meccano: http://sheckley.tripod.com/Radcliffe/pulpblackmail.mp3

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:43 (seventeen years ago) link

X-Post
Hey, "Sylvia" is fantastic! Easily the best song on the entire "This Is Hardcore" album.

But considering you don't like "Different Class" I can understand why you don't like it, as "Sylvia" sounds very much like a "Different Class" track.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:52 (seventeen years ago) link

Y'see, whereas you probably regard 'Seductive Barry' as a tuneless, overlong dirge, I absolutely adore it, and have even invented the term 'sexscape' to describe its sprawling, claustrophobic eroticism. Your stance is utterly fair enough, though.

Different Class is still a good album. 'I Spy' is the best song on it.

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 13:56 (seventeen years ago) link

LOL "I Spy" sounds like a "This Is Hardcore" track. You should investigate Steve Harley & Cockney Rebel unless you have already done. :)

They are of course all great, from "His'n'Hers" onwards, whereas what I've heard of their earlier material is not all that great (well, apart from "Razzmatazz", a fantastic single that for some reason was never included on "His'n'Hers")

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:03 (seventeen years ago) link

I usually hate when people are like "NOBODY MENTIONED THIS YET?!?!?!?!" but this thread is over 5 years old, so I guess it won't seem all that weird..

It would appear that "Underwear," which has yet to be mentioned here, is seen as one of their more forgettable tracks or something. It's one of my favorite 90's tracks, and possibly my favorite Pulp song. It is fucking perfect and beautiful, and anyone who thinks differently can eat dicks.

billstevejim (billstevejim), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:10 (seventeen years ago) link

PTA goes with Underwear.

I think...

mark grout (mark grout), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

xxpost: HAHA! Steve Harley and Cockney Rebel's Greatest Hits album is one of my favourites! Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...

In fact, I'm considering buying some of his albums proper (namely, the first two or three). Mad Mad Moonlight, Judy Teen, Make Me Smile, Psychomodo, Tumbling Down...all quite, quite brilliant slices of pop exuberance.

'Underwear' is the best song on Different Class outside the first 4. Happy now? :-D

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:17 (seventeen years ago) link

xxxpost: that link doesn't work for me. I really want to hear it!

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:20 (seventeen years ago) link

Try it from here then:

Spanish new romantic disco act Meccano:
http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=A7F65B614021A808

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:23 (seventeen years ago) link

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mecano

Dom Passantino (Dom Passantino), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:24 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...
Apparently
Louis = bizarro-Bertie Wooster
Geir = bizarro-Jeeves

My Little Ruud Book (Ken L), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:30 (seventeen years ago) link

Dom = bizarro-Aunt Agatha

Obvious Ninja (Haberdager), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 14:33 (seventeen years ago) link

firstly, as you line up with axes to decapitate me i say jarvis an absolute genius (so is russell senior btw) and i single out "babies" + "lipgloss" + "this is hardcore" as the priciple examples. however i always thought and remain of the view that "common people" is utter cack, in fact it makes me cringe somewhat to listen to it.

in his greatest kitchen sink operettes the lyrics are witty, esoteric, original and utterly effortless. "common people" on the other hand is IMO hackneyed, patronising, tryhard, and contrived. yes, i understand it is the protagonist in the story who is mainly the source of the patronising take on the working classes, yet this is exaggerated (and repeated endlessly) becoming increasingly divorced from the ultra-realistic stylings of jarv's best work. it is caricature to an extent where it ceases to be believable; and as a working class boy who went to a posh university i know these people exist, it's just a bit more subtle, insidious, and well...real.

to me CP always smelt of jarv knowingly creating something which would cause a bit of a rumpus and become a hit. in this regard he spectacularly succeeded so fair play to him but i think he is even on record himself as saying it is not among his favourite pulp tracks. the tune is average too, even asuming he didn't rip it off (which frankly i dont care about anyway).

anyhow, thought i'd let it all pour out. i love jarv, i love pulp, but i hate common people.

ok. go on then. do your worst....

edger stewert (edger), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 16:09 (seventeen years ago) link

I still like several other Britpop acts better, but Pulp and Suede grow on me over time considerably more than Blur and Oasis do.

Geir Hongro (GeirHong), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:07 (seventeen years ago) link

Wow English radio-hosts are as (more?) obnoxious than American ones.

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:43 (seventeen years ago) link

thanks for that YSI, btw. And yeah it's quite similar in terms of the verse vocal melody.

Elliot (Elliot), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Watch it, that's an ex-member of The Fall you're talking about.

everything (everything), Tuesday, 29 August 2006 20:47 (seventeen years ago) link

four months pass...
Jarvis' solo record is great. did it get no discussion on ILM? I can't find it if so. It's the best Elvis Costello album in years!

kyle (akmonday), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:46 (seventeen years ago) link

Dude, you're supposed to be praising it, not damning it!

Ned Raggett (Ned), Tuesday, 9 January 2007 19:49 (seventeen years ago) link

Jarvis' new solo record:

http://www.bobgeldof.info/pictures/deepinthehearcover.jpg

Marcello Carlin (nostudium), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:42 (seventeen years ago) link

Geir, you're a perceptive chappie...
Apparently
Louis = bizarro-Bertie Wooster
Geir = bizarro-Jeeves

-- My Little Ruud Book (louder...), August 29th, 2006.

Dom = bizarro-Aunt Agatha

-- Obvious Ninja (papiermachealamphibia...), August 29th, 2006.

my finest hour

You've Got Scourage On Your Breath (Haberdager), Wednesday, 10 January 2007 13:48 (seventeen years ago) link

seven months pass...

'Separations' is actually a really solid album! Just giving it another listen tonight, after it having done nothing for me in the past, and, this sounds really good to me now!

andi, Saturday, 18 August 2007 03:16 (sixteen years ago) link

every time i listen to "separations" i go WOAH THIS IS ACE ... and then after three songs i kinda switch off and forget what it sounds like.

actually, the same is true of the jarvis solo album. hmm.

grimly fiendish, Saturday, 18 August 2007 12:06 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd still like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:25 (sixteen years ago) link

I coincidentally just bought "This is Hardcore" yesterday and after one listen I really like it a lot. So as of now "We Love Life" > "This is Hardcore" > "Different Class"

Stevie D, Saturday, 18 August 2007 17:07 (sixteen years ago) link

babies, lipgloss and this is hardcore makes pulp classic. used to like suede more, but the songwriting of jarvis cockers is miles better than gasoline kisses on concrete london skies.

pft, Saturday, 18 August 2007 17:44 (sixteen years ago) link

I'd still like to know more about this "Common People was nicked from a dodgy Spanish disco record" theory.

-- Mr. Snrub, Saturday, 18 August 2007 16:25 (1 hour ago) Bookmark Link

wow me too.

pisces, Saturday, 18 August 2007 18:11 (sixteen years ago) link

i always thought it was knicked off of lost in the supermarket by the Clash.

Porkpie, Saturday, 18 August 2007 20:58 (sixteen years ago) link

Dud. Interesting frontman, but horrible, characterless band.

The music is just polite aural wallpaper that performs its only requisite function of not upstaging the singer.

It reminds me of John Shuttleworth, but without the daring improvisational bits.

PhilK, Saturday, 18 August 2007 23:19 (sixteen years ago) link

three weeks pass...

Pulp are my favorite band right now, as of last night, when I spent hours watching live performances (including *the* Glastonbury performance of "Common People") on YouTube. Holy shit-awesome.

J, Sunday, 9 September 2007 19:37 (sixteen years ago) link

Well yeah, because wasps will just sting you for no reason at all.

MParadis, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:34 (sixteen years ago) link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BZnuBZhvr0

MParadis, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:48 (sixteen years ago) link

Precisely!

J, Sunday, 9 September 2007 20:50 (sixteen years ago) link

one year passes...

probably my favourite song of the 90s. and its a bside:

utter classic.

i even like the first mini album It. sounds like Belle & Sebastian's Tigermilk, and it came out before The Smiths had released anything. even Freaks has its good points.

Jamie_ATP, Sunday, 12 April 2009 14:17 (fifteen years ago) link


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